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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:12 PM) Unless he pitches so terribly that it becomes such a risk to give $15+ million for one year that he actually takes it...waiting for a rebound season so that he can re-establish his value for the big 4-6 year deal. If they were ready to offer him the moon, I am sure they would take him back for one year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) His advanced numbers coming into today were the worst of his career since he became a starter. Frankly his HR rate was actually a bit low coming into today so yeah. So they will just look at the ERA and trade off that. OK. Hahn will just take the draft pick. I just looked it up, his FIP coming in was the best of his career as a starter before tonight except for last season. Now it is the worst, but barely. His k rate is down one a game, switch to AL could explain that. Frankly, maybe this is just what he is. I have never been a fan, but hopefully he could get on a roll like he was on when the Cubs dealt him.

So you are saying teams that want to trade for Samardjiza will only look at his ERA and not his advanced numbers?

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) Uh, Fred watched the NBA a TON. He'd watch them, and have his assistants go and find film from those games for him to install at ISU. He ran a Bulls set at ISU.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 08:18 PM) Melky should have caught that foul ball, he didn't even try. Probably scared to make a play against the wall I think it bounced off someone in the stands.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 07:55 PM) Beckham tried for a forceout at 2nd when he should have gone to 1st and Gallo hit a ball that took a bad 2nd hop that could have been fielded by LaRoche...but Samardzija didn't pitch his way out of it, either. On paper, no errors. In reality, it should have been 0-0 going into the top of the 2nd. Beckham had no shot at first. The bad play was LaRoche not being in front of the ball.

QUOTE (Capn12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) Alexei with that sparkling .246 OBP. And that .323 from Avi seems like it is the lightest .323 I can remember in a long time. It just seems like a guy with that many hits, but only 18 RBIs, clearly isn't hitting when it matters. Everyone sucks. It is hopeless. You should watch something else.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 07:26 PM) Yet it's no one's fault Whoever said that?

Samardjiza isn't exactly dazzling in the first again. Probably should have been out of it with 0, but they are makimg good contact.

QUOTE (Capn12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 07:15 PM) White Sox in 1st inning : 7 pitches Ranger Leadoff hitter in 1st inning : 8 pitches They should just call the game right now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) May I please Avatar this? it would be appropriate

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 02:16 PM) David Haugh 11 mins · Twitter · Forman: "Frankly, we didn't think it would move this quickly.'' ‪#‎comeongar‬ Seriously, Gar needs to stop. He's just making himself look like a fool now.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) The reason team took a major nose dive was because of 1 man KW, yet he still is around in the decision making process. KW drafting skills or lack there of killed this organization. Does he get fired hell no, he gets promoted, that is insanity! Just look at 2010. Thome wanted to come back and was willing to play for $1 million. Ozzie said no. JR said Ozzie deserved to manage the team he wanted. Kotsay DH'd. Put up a -1.3 WAR. Thome put up a 3 WAR for the Twins. They finished 6 games ahead of the White Sox. Who knows what happens if the Sox had a real hitter DHing.I am not a big KW fan, although he gets credit for a WS, but to put the blame on one person cannot be accurate, at all.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) Then spending $100 million of additional funds on this roster with veterans over 30 who you expect to gradually get worse and more likely to be injured each year and trading for a major addition with 1 year on his contract was absolutely foolhardy. If your team isn't ready to compete right now, why on Earth are you spending money on free agents? Why on Earth are you trading players for a guy who won't be here in a year? You can think what you want, obviously in your world you are either horrible and rebuilding or a World Champion or someone needs to be fired. Baseball isn't as black and white as you seem to think.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 01:55 PM) The fact is, 10 teams make the playoffs every year. (formerly 8) The White Sox haven't been one of those teams in seven years with the same people in the front office. This is Hahn's 3rd season as the GM. He took over a team whose shelf life expired and was pretty bad. He's done a lot the last 3 years to make things bearable. I still think they will be entertaining this summer.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) In that case, the people who chose these players are at the top of the list of White Sox problems. The fact is, one team wins every year. It generally takes more than a year or two to build a champion, and there rarely are champions that remain champions for several consectutive years. Hahn said they weren't where they wanted to be at the beginning of this. They knew they are still short in certain areas, but to say, well you tried to win so either the guy that put your roster together or the guy that manages your team or both are idiots who need to be fired is beyond meatheaded. That would mean there would be a huge turnover every year with almost every team.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) BTW this isn't the first time Kenny has done this. Right. His comments were in a thread a couple of weeks ago. Almost a blueprint of a story.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 12:58 PM) Under what scenario do you ever consider changing the manager and his staff? When your staff is mailing it in, not doing what you expect them to do. These guys watch them every day. We don't. People just assume Robin shows up, gets dressed and sits there bored to tears waiting for the game to end so he can go home. Articles, like this one, speak of the entire staff's work ethic. Stone was talking about the White Sox staff the other day saying they are there to help almost all day long. They come early, stay late, give them extra BP, extra fielding, additional side sessions for pitchers if requested. People love to see other people get fired. That's one reason Trump's show is still on the air. From the bits and pieces we get at the full story, not the little you see on TV and assume, the coaching staff and manager is the least of the White Sox problems.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) So, I heard this rumor that Fred Hoiberg is going to be the next head coach of the Bulls. Seems like unsubstantiated BS to me. Can't be. GarPax were just going to be compiling a list and beginning an exhaustive search only a few days ago. With interviews, etc. it will be months before the Bulls have anything to announce.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 12:01 PM) I wonder if Hamilton knows the Pabst brothers? What a strange story. I still don't understand just leaving the guy there and going to bed, although I am not holding Danks responsible.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) Well I don't agree with throwing an individual under the bus I don't really mind if KW says the play of the team has been "embarrassing". I'd prefer if he just declined interviews but I don't have any beef with him calling it as he sees it. The play has been embarrassing a times. As to SouthSider2k's point about how the entire lineup other than Avi is underperforming -- hey, goes back to my argument -- broom the coaching staff because you can't fire 12 position players. The problem with that is, you didn't solve the problem. Milwaukee and Miami fired their managers. That probably satisfied some meatheads in their area, but the results remain the same. Firing the coaching staff does not address the problem, and KW thankfully said that and understands that. I agree with him that the players will start playing closer to their norms, which should mean many will do a lot better than usual for a while to get there. And if it doesn't work, they will change some players.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:09 AM) let him show, what you said a pulse, by the performance of the team, during the course of a game. not giving lip service. btw, i stay as far away of bringing in RV into this conversation, b/c i was pointing out kw and the fo. You brought Robin into this thread: just to come out and give, what i consider a fair waring to the players in a sense, is laying all the blame on their shoulders. how bout some, so - so calls that the manager did, which added to this season so far. where is RV accountability in this mess. no one is going to tell me, none of this is not RV fault and he is blameless. after reading this, he is completely blaming the players. how bout not fully addressing the holes on this team, yeah i forgot, it is the players fault.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:56 AM) while you make a good point, i feel as management should not throw the players under the bus. b/c it might not be the whole problem. i just think they should have taken the high road or better yet, don't say anything. Yet, Robin, and he is management by definition, would be considered doing a better job if he constantly threw players under the bus. Robin says nothing publicly, does all his critiquing behind the clubhouse door, and gets ripped for it. Even though it's been out there for years, it's ignored. He doesn't have a pulse, the players walk all over him. So if he gets into someone's face, then it will be why did he throw someone under a bus?

I was watching Sportstalk Live yesterday and Goff was one of the guests. He seemed to back off of the Butler/Rose "feud" a bit, referring to it as "real or perceived".

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:45 AM) the point is, why make any announcement. was this suppose to be a supportive msg, was this suppose to be "don't loose faith" msg... why make this announcement. There is no announcement. It was an interview. He basically said the exact same things a couple of weeks ago. I really don't understand why this is a big deal at all. He can't point fingers at the players, which is EXACTLY WHAT SO MANY PEOPLE WANT ROBIN TO DO IN THE DUGOUT, and that is wrong. Everything they do or say will be considered wrong because when it comes to running a team the vast majority of fans are not very good at it. Thibs gets fired and boy did he deserve it. They practice hard, they play 32 minutes a night, he is going to kill them. Robin should be fired. Look at what they did. It is obvious they didn't practice hard enough in spring training. KW is holding the players accountable. I am no big fan of KW. It wouldn't bother me if he took his act to Toronto. But here, I agree. They players haven't played up to the levels they previously played. That's on them.