Dick Allen

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 02:11 PM) At least in the 0's, we had the philosophy of taking the guy close to the big leagues because they could contribute faster or be traded faster. That ended us up with broadway & mccullough. For all we know that might have been part of the reason why we got 3-year-college player Jared Mitchell instead of that other OF named Mike who went a couple slots later. And since you brought up Beckham, that hits on the "rush them up to the big leagues as fast as humanly possible" philosophy that permeates this team's minor leagues and whether that's been as effective as it needs to be too. The very first 1st round pick under KW the GM was Honel, a HS pitcher. Mitchell certainly wasn't rushed. Beckham may have been, but he pretty much conquered AAA pretty quickly. If you want to complain about guys like Broadway, that is legitimate, but also a long time ago. And using "might have been part of the reason" certainly does not make it the reason. I agree, the Sox should have taken Trout, but I don't think it's because they thought Mitchell would be here sooner. They thought he would be a better player.

QUOTE (Whitewashed in '05 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) Wait, this has nothing to do with Gene Honda right? No, they cut to her in between innings. She seems pretty good at her job.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 01:55 PM) JMO - this type of "short term thinking" is a key part of how we have gotten ourselves into this mess. Sale and Rodon haven't been the problem. You could say something about Beckham, but it's not like all the guys drafted right after him became stars.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Bowden is absolutely clueless I think most of these guys are clueless. Last year we read how much Cooper loved Aiken, how much the Sox loved Kolek, yet Hahn said, and he might have been BSing, that Rodon was the one guy they wanted all along, which made a lot of sense considering how leery they seem to be about HS pitching in round 1. Hahn did mention before that draft on a broadcast that Rodon was the best pitcher in college.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 12:51 PM) interesting draft, seems like anybody can go anywhere and it's not even because of signability. That is one nice thing about this draft. Every mock is different, even at the top. NFL, NBA, you can pretty much tell who the top 20 guys will be in a halfway decent sequence, but here a guy who some might have going #1 might not go until #10.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) I think they end up with Illinois LHP Tyler Jay All the lefties. Stone did say he thought Jay could be in a major league bullpen this season, and the Sox could use another lefty. Then have him work on getting stretched out this winter and go back to the minors.

I am not for the Sox going under slot to save money for later rounds. In their history of 4th round selections, the team has only drafted 2 players that have put up more than a 1.0 total WAR for their team. Baldwin and Thigpen.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) The Astros went under slot in 2012 and drafted Correa at #1, McCullers in the 2nd, and Preston Tucker in the 5th. Often a sound strategy if there are similar players at the top. Yes, but to lessen the talent of the #8 overall pick to be able to throw more money at a 4th round guy isn't that sound IMO, unless you have a guy rated high that no one else does and know they will sign cheap.

Can't hit or field. Sign him up. .660 OPS in the PCL is a bit discouraging. The guy from fangraphs who used to love this guy, now works for the Astros and they DFA'd him. That's pretty much all you need to know.

Melky hit a rope his first AB yesterday, of course right at 'em. I think it wore on him the rest of the game, as he was pretty putrid his other ABs.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) If the Sox did pick him, where would Eaton go in a few years when Benintendi is in the Big Leagues? You never worry about that. It is very rare a good player can't crack a line up because of no room.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) I'd bet dollar to donuts that Samardjiza doesn 't have an era of 5 at the end of the year. dollars to donuts isn't a good bet anymore.

I am hoping the Sox get Fulmer, and if not, Jay. If both those guys are gone, one of the SS. I know Stephenson is the flavor of the week, but HS catchers are really hard to project. I know the organization can use catching, every single organization can, but they usually take longer to develop, especially a HS guy. I'd rather they spend 4th-10th rounders on a college guy. If the guy turns into Ron Karkovice, it's a win, and I don't think you want to spend the 8th pick on that. The Sox did pick Kurt Brown 5th in 1985. Barry Bonds was the next selection.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) I'd GLADLY gamble 1/15 on Samardzija next year at this point. Considering what they supposedly at least were prepared to pay him, that's a no brainer. It is highly unlikely he would accept, unless he blows out his elbow or something in the next few months.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) But for the purposes of argument we actually might as well give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him to be the player of the first 3-4 months of 2014 vs. everything post 2014 ASB. Because his post all star numbers last year: .350/.435/.513 are just tragic. The White Sox are doomed.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:57 AM) Because Abreu isn't a good defensive first baseman...unless you don't consider that a flaw. He's also a well below-average base runner. He's also behind the likes of Adam Lind, Albert Pujols, Lucas Duda and tied with Mitch Moreland in war at that position. But for the purposes of argument we actually might as well give him the benefit of the doubt and consider him to be the player of the first 3-4 months of 2014 vs. everything post 2014 ASB. If we don't, then things get really depressing. Neither is Miguel Cabrera, yet I think every team would take him, just like they would Abreu. If you really think Jose Abreu isn't as good as Adam Lind.........

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:34 AM) You're smart enough to figure out that Abreu belongs in the asset category. Must he be listed?...it's like a "given" in a geometry proof. (Maybe I have more NEFARIOUS, Rasputin-like qualities in not including him, even though EVERY reasonable White Sox fan knows he's one of the most important members of the organization going forward.) As for the second part, either it wasn't important when the the Royals lost Rios to a broken finger OR former White Sox prospect Paulo Orlando did an admirable job after being developed by their minor league instructors and Rusty Kuntz: Their record on that day (Rios got hurt) was 7-0. They were 22-18 with former White Sox signee Paulo Orlando and Dyson sharing the position. Since Rios returned against the Cubs, they're now 2-5. So they're 4 games over with Rios....and 4 games over with Orlando/Dyson. LMAO. Why in the same post you failed to mention Abreu when ripping the offense, writing there is not one offense player without major flaws, you mentioned Robertson and Sale as pitching assests?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 7, 2015 -> 10:59 PM) Good post. You identified the only assets this team has. In basically the same posts he has posted a thousand times telling us all how terrible and hopeless the White Sox situation is, he did fail to mention Jose Abreu as an asset. Of course he is the one who ripped the White Sox and KW for getting Alex Rios, yet somehow the same Alex Rios is supposedly a huge asset and a big loss when he was injured to KC.

Maybe on days Shark "starts", they should have a reliever pitch the first inning. That should save at least one run.

As bad as anyone wants to make Danks out to be, the White Sox are 5-6 in his starts.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jun 7, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) Time to focus on the next game and win the series, its not like we had a chance with a matchup of Danks vs Price Yes. Just win the series. Ace vs, #5 stsrter no need to sound the alarms because of a loss.

Bonifacio is in LF tonight.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 6, 2015 -> 02:08 PM) Don't you need Melky to come around if you really want a shot at the division or a WC? Yes. There are 2 ways to go about it. Have him play through it, or give him a few days or a day off to try to re-group. If he doesn't snap out of it soon, I am sure they will try another way. The beginning of this slump was when he was hitting rockets right at people. I am not giving up. Through 60 games in 1983, Carlton Fisk was putting up Tyler Flowers numbers minus the strikeouts. He almost won the MVP. Melky should get it going.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 6, 2015 -> 02:27 PM) You can keep the snark because your adding and subtracting didn't have the infallible predictive value you purport it to have when last year's estimated financials were released. You were doom and gloom last year and the Sox were estimated (understand all of your adding and subtracting is on estimated numbers) to be the eighth most profitable team in baseball. That was as the 24th best team. Since you have it down to a science, we can make a sig bet on the Sox increasing their payroll from '15 to '16. You can use your adding and subtracting and I'll just take a blind stab and say they will. This. I didn't see anyone say the Sox made $31 million last year until Forbes came out. In fact whenever the additional $25 million in TV money was mentioned, loss of ticket sales and advertising was mentioned as eating that all away. Besides, the $3 million loss Forbes had the Sox take in 2013 included the $10 million bonus Abreu received after that season. If we are going by Forbes, this team has made well over &150 million the last decade or so, so that must be sitting somewhere as well. For anyone here to think they have a true handle on White Sox finances is laughable, We really don't even know if the Forbes numbers are accurate, and they have access to a lot more things than we do. They at least were prepared to pay Tanaka a lot of money. They at least were prepared, even after spendimg all that money, to pay Shark a ton of money. Any doom and gloom the Sox are maxed out and will be horrible for years is silly.

Avi was hanging out over the plate that AB. I think he could have taken a strike off his elbow. That last one was inside, and had no chance not to hit him.