Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2015 -> 11:56 AM) Now see, why wasn't the media talking about this before? Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 34m34 minutes ago We knew there was tension between Thibodeau and the front office, but when he lost the locker room, the writing was on the wall. How much of that was knowing his status was lame duck?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ May 28, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) That press release from JR absolutely trashed Thibs, wow. He did mention keeping things private. That is pretty weird.I don't know about absolutely trashed, but I think it was a little over the line. His President tried beating up a former coach (minutes restriction on that one as well) and the coach he is firing has a .730 winning pct when the former MVP they lucked out in being able to draft is in the line up. Gar/Pax don't exactly seem like a working well with others pair, and that is 2 coaches they supposedly got wrong. I think 3 strikes you should be out.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2015 -> 11:13 AM) They keep using the word "tendonitis" Which brings up the old Rick Sutcliffe line, "They tell you that you have tendonitis when they don't know what's wrong with you."

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 28, 2015 -> 10:56 AM) I didn't see the game, I'm just looking at the box score. If those runs were compliments of Alexei, then why are all 5 of his runs earned? Wouldn't he be charged with 5 runs, 4 unearned and 1 earned if Alexei was to blame? Alexei spun around and failed to step on 2nd for a DP. He did throw the guy out at 1st. But since there was an out, there is no error. The inning would have been over with no runs. Then what typically happens when something goes awry this year happened, and 4 runs were on the board.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 28, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) Well, in the 2 innings before that, he allowed 5 runs. What's your point? He's just not very good. He'll eat innings, sure, but he's not that good. And the 4 runs he allowed in the first were compliments of Alexei. I don't know what you expect out of a 5th starter, but it apparently is an ERA below 1.00. The guy had not started a game in a couple of weeks and actually did pretty well.

Have they ever mentioned what is causing the swelling in Avi's knee? If it isn't really anything, it seems to be hanging around a while.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 28, 2015 -> 10:43 AM) Bye Noesi. I imagine they'll announce it after game 1 just in case. The last 5 innings he has pitched, he has not allowed a hit.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 28, 2015 -> 10:06 AM) Let him shoot. He's been very inefficient so far this post-season. I've never understood LeBron settling for jumpers other than to hold off some fatigue. If he gets it in his mind to take it to the basket, he cannot be stopped, and GS will be no lock to win.

What I don't understand is I thought Beck was the 26th guy. Why wouldn't they just call Webb up and make a corresponding move instead of calling him the 26th guy as well? Is it still certain Beck is starting game 2? I just read the rule. Since this has been scheduled for more than 48 hours, the 26th guy is eligible to participate in both games, so it makes sense Webb would be the 26th guy and Beck just a regular call up.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 28, 2015 -> 10:00 AM) Yeah either Connor or Avi or Noesi dfa Why in the world would the Sox DFA Noesi. Yes, he started out bad after not pitching for a while last game when his defense screwed him. But his last 4 or 5 innings, he pretty much gave up nothing.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 28, 2015 -> 07:31 AM) Reality. 35 years, five postseason appearances. Only four of the 25 non-expansion teams with fewer appearances. Outside of 2005, a combined four postseason victories in the other four appearances in '83, '93, '00, and '08. Reality. One division title, one postseason victory in the entire decade since '05. 212 losses since April of '13. Reality. Cumulative effect of Jerry Reinsdorf and his management team's failure to field something even remotely resembling a winning product: a big market team practically last in attendance and TV ratings in all of baseball as we speak. Schtick. All of this is somehow the fans' fault. GMAFB. Instead of chronic complaining why not go "support" another team. One that meets your standards. You have other options. You wouldn't keep going to a restaurant you thought sucked and didn't enjoy for 35 years. You don't owe the White Sox anything. And they don't owe you anything.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 10:07 PM) i just came back. i am a little confuse, are you questioning why more fans did not show up for Sale's game?? am i reading this right? Caulfield is the only person on this site that questioned the attendance that night.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 27, 2015 -> 09:18 PM) Let me ask this question. If negative (realistic/pragmatic) or pessimistic/dark cloud fans bother people so much. why not support a team that historically is loyal/optimistic and whose fans you don't have to argue with about their respective versions of fandom? (Like the Cardinals, for example). I'm assuming there have been thousands of Doubting Thomas White Sox fans since the Black Sox Scandal...or after 1994 and the White Flag Trade. Is it worth the time, effort and energy of convincing all of them to be hopeful and optimistic in the face of all evidence to the contrary? Do you believe that Fathom, who might be one of the most loyal White Sox fans there is here....is less of a fan because he's often pessimistic or mentions the Cubs? Doesn't he represent the quintessential White Sox fan of the last 50-60 years....? If not, who does? (Maybe Billy Pierce, Moose Skowron or Minnie Minoso.) And, besides the "b****ing about everyone b****ing/moaning/whining/complaining," what constructive answers have been provided to improve matters....that will turn the dark clouds into silver linings? So you refuse to answer why you yourself questioned the 17k attendance Sale vs. Kluber. No one is really questioning fandom. If you only attend games when the team is a winner, it is a bandwagon fan. But when you don't show up when they do have success, it makes sustaining success much more difficult, because when teams win, their payroll jumps. Amd just for the record, the 75 win Mike Quade led 2010 Cubs drew 105,000 more fans than the White Sox did in their highest attended season.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:46 PM) I merely wrote that the White Sox had the 9th highest increase in attendance per game so far...an increase of lmost 2,000 fans per game...that the fans responded to the off-season moves. The Twins, meanwhile, have LESS fans per game (this year, compared to 2014) despite being in first place as June nears. How is that being negative? Just pointing out facts that are indisputable. The 2010 White Sox and Cubs weren't in danger of setting any attendance records. Cubs' fans weren't consistently precluded from attending games...and conjecture about how many more tickets they MIGHT have sold is like speculating about the White Sox drawing 3 million fans if they had the best stadium in baseball with the outfield backdrop as the downtown or if they had been relocated to the suburbs. There were plenty of late May through early September home games that year that weren't sold out. As far as "day baseball" goes, all you had to do was follow the Cubs in the 80's or 90's with WGN/Stone & Caray announcing to get the answer to why that worked so well. Booze/Budweiser, Babes, Buppies/Yuppies and Bats (Sosa/Grace/Sandberg). Simple formula. If all those other cities had "historical" Wrigley Field or Fenway Park, then it just MIGHT work, but, once again...MARKETING. No. The one where they only drew 17k for Sale vs. Kluber after winning 5 in a row.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 27, 2015 -> 07:28 PM) 1) There were almost the exact same number of Chicagoland and NW Indiana fans at White Sox and Cubs games as recently as 2010. It's not "fan loyalty." It's better marketing, a historic park, day baseball, regional tourism and Wrigleyville that make the difference for that extra 25% the Cubs get every year. Along with that, the mystique of 100+ years without winning a World Series. 2) "It's never going to get SO bad that the team will be in danger of leaving." They're simply too profitable, and they have too many synergies with the Bulls to make it a logical move for Reinsdorf. As Balta has pointed out numerous times now, this whole idea of the fanbase not being tolerant or patient enough for a rebuild...well, essentially they have been patiently waiting for the better part of a decade now. Because they committed the same mistake as the Phillies, they held onto veterans too long and couldn't rebuild on the fly. They should have been smart enough to realize even teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers and Angels struggle with this concept, and they have HUGE margins for error financially. What we've been doing essentially since the beginning of the 2012 season is REBUILDING, no matter what label you put on it. Would the White Sox have suffered financially if they hadn't spent all that money in the off-season? Of course not, they'd be even more profitable (this season), and attendance would be down another 1,000-2,000 rather than being up about 2,000 per game. In the overall scheme of things, is that COST really worth this whole idea we're struggling with of rebuilding versus "reloading" or whatever KW/Hahn want to call it? Spend wisely and be smarter. Don't get desperate and overpay for guys like Melky, LaRoche, Robertson, Bonifacio and Samardzija. Be patient....follow the process to its logical conclusion. Even if you don't accept the Cubs/Sox comparisons on rebuilding....then follow the example of the Astros. Were they really in a much better position as a fanbase to blow things up? They went through an RSN bankrupting itself and the worst TV ratings in MLB history, but they've come out the other side and are positioned for a 3-5 year run now if everything breaks right. We, on the other hand, might not be. The bandwagon hasn't emptied all at once. It has taken almost a decade of damage inflicted by KW to get to this point. Don't insult the fans with "patsy" managers like Ventura, either....to deflect criticism from the product you put on the field. Be honest with the fans, but then hire the very best coaching staff possible to maximize that talent. Give them the best chance or opportunity to win. Then the fans will respect you and you will start to earn their trust back again. Again why did you question the attendance when the Sox came back from winning 5 in a row? I am guessing you didn't have anything negative to fill your agenda on this board, so you used attendance and are now talkimg out of both sides of your mouth. As to your figures from 2010, you again are not takimg imto account there is onky a finite number of tickets available. If they are tsken by tourists from Iowa, people in town cannot buy them. You also talk day baseball as a draw. During the week, that couldn't be more inaccurate or all teams would play all of their games during the day.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 27, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) Except $46 million dollar closers are paid to save games. And he's now unavailable tomorrow because he had to be overextended at least three times now into multiple inning save opportunities in the last couple of weeks. And while you are talking Soria, how come no mention how much they had to pay him to suck and be on the DL last year? He may be available tomorrow.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 27, 2015 -> 05:37 PM) Fun with numbers. Addison Reed in 2012 through the beginning of July, 2-1, 13/14 saves, 4 holds. David Robertson, 9/12 in saves. And the Minnesota Twins are now in 1st place. The Tigers are just 1 GB without Verlander, just beat the A's two out of three while scoring just 4 runs in 3 days. Joakim Soria is 15/16 converting saves, and "only" getting paid $7 million. And 2 pf his 3 blown save the White Sox still won the game.

Thankfully they scored in the 10th. Dragging this game out a few more innings could have been bad in more ways than one.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ May 27, 2015 -> 03:03 PM) Can he get a blown save win save? Blown save and win hopefully.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) Closer can't pitch 3 days in a row? I think the Sox need to win this game. Carroll pitched yesterday, you are down to Jennings who has been really shaky.

He might be OK game 2 tomorrow even if he pitches here. It's not like he had a really long outing yesterday.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ May 27, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) Looked like Robo was headed back out to pitch the 10th He's probably done for tomorrow anyway. Why not? Get the win.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) Agreed. Scott has been terrific this year but need him with Beck going tomorrow. Beck is going to be the lamb tomorrow. If he is getting tagged, they are going to be leaving him in there for a while.

Beckham up to .250

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 27, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) Yeah, I don't like it either especially the 6th guy out of the bullpen is a long reliever. So we really only have 5 guys who we trust late in the game and one is usually regulated to the 9th There aren't many teams that can go 6 deep with what you want out on the mound with a 1 or 2 run lead. As much as the White Sox have sucked this series in many facets, this is all on Robertson.