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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) Bautista was really, really angry about that popup. Too bad. His shank doubles were making me angry last night.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ May 27, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) I know this is not the environment for this but Len Kasper was talking on the SCORE yesterday about how the cubs are focusing on taking pitches and would rather a hitter strike out on a borderline pitch than swing at a pitch two feet out of the strike zone. I thought this was what Todd was to bring to the organization, some sort of philosophy? It is working for the cubs, the WHite Sox have nothing working for them in regard to organizational philosophy as it pertains to hitting or defense. Adam LaRoche is 27th in baseball in pitches per AB, yet most here think he is useless. I couldn't care less about pitches per AB. I would like to see a stat where they are swinging at good pitches to hit. Konerko's grand slam in the WS was on the first pitch. Some of it is just what kind of hitter you happen to be. Taking pitches can work against you if they are in the zone.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 27, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) Then how does this get fixed? This is 3 straight years of terrible baseball in almost every aspect. To me, the biggest area for improvement is in the development of players from the farm system. Nearly everyone that's been called up the last couple of years has looked like they have no chance. Just once, you would think someone would overachieve as a Sox prospect. How would firing the major league manager fix that? And just to show how little someone actually thinks about this, some have mentioned Cooper as a interim replacement. 13th in the AL in ERA with Sale, Samardzija, Q, Robertson, Rodon. The self proclaimed manager of the pitching staff. If you are about accountability, how does promoting him show that?

I think there is a little gamesmanship going on as well. They are already publicly short without Avi. Robin doesn't want to admit to being 2 men down. Let's face it, if it is footwork, Gillaspie would hardly play.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2015 -> 12:09 PM) Then we did a horrible job of choosing the players to bring in and we need someone else to do the job of rebuilding this debacle. The players have talent. They haven't played up to the talent. Most likely they will at some point. But fire, fire, fire. That's a meathead approach.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 27, 2015 -> 12:08 PM) Did anyone ever state if Conor is injured or not? I'm sure its the same issue, and they probably don't want him playing on this turf.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) nice.... then who is at fault?? who should be blame?? The players are at fault. Firing Robin or firing Hahn isn't going to make them play better. It would be like firing the guy painting your house because you don't like what the landscaper did to your bushes.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Safe. sweet

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ May 27, 2015 -> 12:01 PM) This process is too long When it's long the call usually stands.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2015 -> 11:55 AM) I agree with you, you have made an incredibly strong case that Rick Hahn should be fired immediately. He blew $50 million of his bosses' money on this **** show. Well the same people who have these opinions of the players also at least thought Hahn had a spectacular offseason. .

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) oh i have to sign in and say this. b/c baseball is a team first and a money maker second, unless you are an owner. if someone is not getting results, the basic thing to do is replace that person Well then, let's look at the Sox roster with the consensus Soxtalk opinion of each player: Eaton..shouldn't be leading off. Shouldn't have received an extension. Bad Melky...one of the worst hitters in the league Abreu...a hair above average, the league caught up to him LaRoche...awful. Adam Dunn II Garcia...horrible fielder, should crash and be a negative WAR guy Alexei....old and done. Get rid of Gillaspie...Hahn made a mistake by not getting a 3B this past winter Flowers...needs to be cut immediately Micah/Sanchez.......not ready with the glove for one, not ready with the bat for the other Soto...godawful Beckham.........we know what has been said about him. Unfortunately he made the team Bonifacio.......what's his purpose Shuck........he needs to go. Sale.....what's wrong. If he isn't throwing his slider a lot he isn't an ace Samardiza......horrible. Big mistake trading for him Q...flash in the pan is lacking an out pitch Danks.......nothing needs to be written Noesi.....see above Rodon......can't throw strikes. Won't be any good unless he has a change up. Jennings......bad Putnam....flash in the pan Petricka.......OK but nothing special Carroll......DFA candidate, should be in Charlotte Duke.......should never face LH hitters Robertson.....good, but yet some have concerns So the manager has a roster where, at least if you ever read a gamethread, at least 84% of it, is just plain bad. How can losing be on the manager?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) In that case, the team's general manager vastly overestimated the talent available on his team because some of them had made it look too easy last year and invested $50 million this season based on that overestimation. The team's General Manager then has completely failed at his job by any reasonable standard, costing his employer a huge amount of money. He should be replaced. Why is your solution to failure in a game designed for failure always to fire someone? Can't you come up with something a little more creative?

FIFA is as corrupt as it gets. My brother actually lives in Zurich and one visit several years ago we drove by the FIFA headquarters and he was going on and on about the corruption.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) and as a default, when does one end the experiment?? So you really think the manager is why this team isn't in first place? If you think that, maybe you should lay off ownership as apparently they have put together a baseball team you think should win a lot of games.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 09:16 AM) true, but not all players can coach or coach well enuf. but you can not denied they had experience in coaching. This is his 4th season as a manager. The lack of experience complaint window has long passed.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 27, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) How can you not see the selection bias issue with this? Let me ask you this: how many teams have ever fired their manager while the team was playing well? Managers are only ever fired when the team is underperforming, therefore natural regression to the mean will see the team improve regardless. There was a Freakonomics study about this years ago showing no difference between the ROS performance of bad teams that fired their managers versus bad teams that kept their managers. One big turnaround was when the Marlins fired Torborg and hired McKeon. Of course they also called up Miggy and Dontrell Willis.

Bobby Cox 1st 5 seasons: 69-93 66-94 81-80 50-56 78-84 Joe Torre 1st 5 seasons: 49-68 66-96 63-99 67-95 41-62 What a couple of idiots. And Hawk, what a fool for firing Tony LaRussa, yet LaRussa had a worse winning pct. as the White Sox manager than Jerry Manuel and the same amount of postseason appearances.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 09:00 AM) they all had some king of coaching job before the managers job. how much did RV had in coaching?? How much does anyone here have, but they all claim to know everything Robin supposedly does incorrectly. It's not rocket science, and he played the game and was a leader for a long time.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) Torre, Cox, LaRussa, Ventura Somehow, one of them doesn't quite belong in the same conversation. If Ventura goes on to a 30+ year managerial career and enters the Hall of Fame, I'll eat my hat. Why don't you look at how those guys started out.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:37 AM) My pick would be Don Cooper. I don't think he'll be part of the next managing regime, unless he is the manager himself, so might as well give him that chance now. He deserves it after all these years in the organization There's a good chance he's a disaster, which is fine by me. No different then what is going now. At best, his fiery personality could light a fire under this team. His personality will be good to grab some much needed headlines even when we stink. Keep us somewhat relevent. Similar to Ozzie in that regard. His personality hasn't exactly lit a fire under his pitchers. He is the self proclaimed manager of the pitching staff.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:31 AM) the owner's rep of not firing their cronies comes to mind. but this discussion, who is a good candidate to replace him in the interim. And yet everyone still gives Hawk the GM hell for firing Tony LaRussa even though after 83 the 84 team sucked, the 85 team was decent and they were playing horribly in 1986 when he was fired. Fregosi had a 40 point higher winning percentage as the White Sox manager that year. Yeah, firing the manager makes many fans happy, but it doesn't fix things. Robin is fine. If your closer is going to get rocked, and it happens from time to time with every one of them, you are probably going to lose.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:32 AM) You had Abreu bobble a ball, Sanchez bobble a ball, no one tell Sanchez about a man running home, and Shuck completely misplay a ball In the outfield. And I only was able to watch about a third of the game. That's a lot of mistakes. And it's not like it's some one off game. Similar mistakes have been made all year, almost every game. Maybe firing Ventura won't change anything, but it's certainly worth it to see at this point. It can't possibly hurt anything. The other solution is replacing 4-5 players which, I don't even have to say this, is essentially impossible midseason. The no one tell Sanchez a guy was running home was quickly edited by Stone once he saw the replay. For some reason Carlos didn't throw the ball. Why a rookie who has been up this year for about a week didn't throw the ball, I will never know, but how that could be because.....Robin Ventura, that is just plain ridiculous. Firing Robin does not fix the problems.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:04 AM) Basic fundamental plays doomed us yet again last night. Please the blame on who you see fit. Which ones doomed the White Sox? They gave up 10 runs. They all were earned. There was an error but that meant nothing. If Carlos Sanchez bobbles a ball or Jose Abreu drops a pop up, as much as you think it is Robin's fault, they still would do the same thing if someone else was sitting in the dugout. We might as well start a thread about acquiring Bryce Harper and Mike Trout. The chances are just as good that happens. This thread was created to hopefully generate more Robin bashing. Last night was not on the manager.

Ventura is not getting fired. This thread is a waste of bandwidth.

QUOTE (harkness @ May 26, 2015 -> 09:28 PM) Walk him... I don't care what bautista has done... I thoughts that what ventura was doing there. Just such a failure And Steve Stone is a dumbarse also soon as his fat face started blowing about Robertson I knew we were done. This is up there with the worst, most uniformed posts of all time.