StrangeSox

between this and the AT&T v Concepcion ruling several years back, it seems like class action suits are basically DOA. Hooray for wide-spread low-level illegality and fraud that will go unpunished because nobody is going to take the time and resources to individually sue over 10,000 different $100 violations! Unironically support reviving FDR's court-packing plans to undue Lochner 2.0

I had forgotten about this one: (March 2017) Some more good insight:

Rabbit has regularly defended these white supremacist rallies as "free speech" rallies and sees nothing wrong with asking why there are so many Jews in the media. He follows numerous right wing conspiracy theories. He's showed his cards plenty of times.

2018 has been deadlier for schoolchildren than service members there was this WaPo article on it but I didn't see it posted in this thread yet

How can you defend yourself from Home Invaders Coming To Rape and Kill Your Family if you don't have loaded guns stashed around your house in strategic locations?

today's mass shooting reminded me of this good On The Media story I heard last month about what actually happened at Pulse and why Mateen went there. It came out after the case against his wife completely collapsed when her "confession" was found to be been coerced https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/on-the-media-2018-04-13/ He actually went to a couple of other clubs first, and was just googling "nightclubs" on his phone. There's no indication that he knew Pulse was a gay club until he walked in. edit: the story also covers how the whole Stuebenville thing blew up and how there wasn't really a cover-up there

Specifically the school shootings I don't think so, but other shootings and violence absolutely. this topic I posted back in February: A little while back, Dylan Roof. There were some anti-government extremists who murdered a cop during the original Cliven Bundy stuff. There have been planned parenthood shooters. Just yesterday it was reported that the Las Vegas shooter had been talking about FEMA camps and the government coming to take his guns. From PBS last year: U.S. sees 300 violent attacks inspired by far right every year

It's a dumb tangent, but your argument makes zero sense anyway. Strange how you completely avoided addressing that. Something something doesn't fit the narrative. In case you missed it, 2019's comment and the report I linked are about ideologically driven violence. Saying "well blue cities have higher rates" has nothing at all to do with that. Violence committed by right-wing extremists for right-wing ideological reasons, like the murderer you keep downplaying at Charlottesville or Dylan Roof or a number of other examples, has been on the rise for years. Where is the comparable left-wing violence that 2019 is so afraid of if he was doxxed? A guy getting booed out of Cheesecake Factory?

Holy shit you're actually straight-up defending him and attacking the victim. Go back to 4chan with your buddy.

If Toomey -Manchin couldn't pass after Sandy Hook, what sort of compromise do you imagine could ever be reached?

If there's a fire code reason (e.g. why doors open out from the classrooms, for constant egress), you don't just override that because this country is too dumb to do anything about guns. It also costs money to do that, and as we've seen from mass teacher action in a number of states now, schools don't exactly have extra money.

or pull the fire alarm do it at the football game etc.

You vote the assholes out. It's much more insane to continually insist that nothing can be done as the dead bodies of children pile up.

hey guess what school architects and principles aren't security experts used to dealing with tactical responses to active shooters! also possibly fire code things? that's why all the doors open out from the classroom (constant egress), which means you couldn't' barricade the door shut with a desk

It doesn't have to be. It's a small minority that is obsessed with guns and an admittedly powerful pro-gun (and especially gun manufacturer) lobby, but they can be beaten. Let's actually do something at the root of this problem rather than promoting half-measure band-aids that only apply in some circumstances over and over and over again, or offering our "thoughts and prayers" before shifting to a "mental health" deflection that none of the pro-gun people actually want to do anything about either.

I may have mentioned this after the last school shooting, but the hot thing at schools now is to give teachers tiny baseball bats, bags of golf balls, whatever, so they can attempt to attack the shooter. Depending on the district, kids may be instructed to throw books, chairs, whatever they can get their hands on if a shooter comes in the room. It isn't because they expect these tactics to actually stop the shooter and save the lives in that room. It's to buy another 10 or 15 seconds, maybe another 5 or 10 rounds fired before they're all massacred. Because it gives that next classroom just a little bit more time. That's the kind of calculations that are going through school administration and teachers' and I'm sure increasingly students' heads. I'm just glad my wife's next door teacher showed her how to wedge a chair in the door so it can't be opened from the outside even if unlocked during their last lock down drill. edit: as someone who works in security, albeit a different field from schools, the cold calculation behind that ALICE training makes sense. it's just that it's such a punch in the gut that this is what we're reduced to in response to gun violence in this country. this is the best we've decided we can come up with.

This has happened at most districts that can afford it. All doors are locked during school hours. But again, this isn't just about schools! The largest mass shooting in US history, barely 7 months ago, was not at a school. Aurora wasn't a school. Gabby Giffords wasn't a school. At places like NIU and VaTech and other colleges, you can't have that sort of fortress mentality. Fort Hood was a damn military base.

who cares about what level of granularity he's talking about, it's completely irrelevant to the discussion of ideologically driven violence. edit: which is itself a tangent from the main topic, which is yet another mass shooting in this country that we don't know the motivation for

"Areas" don't shoot people. It's specifically looking at ideologically driven violence and murder, which is what our 4chan friend above is definitely very seriously and legitimately concerned about. A person in blood red rural Texas who shoots his wife over an affair wouldn't be counted as "right wing violence" any more than a robbery-gone-bad in Chicago would be counted as left-wing violence. Your post isn't really responsive, at all, to the topic at hand. Good job continuing to downplay the white supremacist rally at Charlottesville and their murder of the protester, though. That "goofball" was at the white supremacist rally with a bunch of other white supremacists waving Nazi flags, shouting Nazi slogans and arguing for a white ethnostate among other abhorrent things. eta: actually Charlottesville itself is a really great example of why your argument makes no sense! Being the home of UVA, it's a very blue/Democratic area, and yet that specific story is a story of right-wing extremist violence.

this is a pretty silly derail/detachment from reality, but right-wing extremist violence has been a growing problem in this country for years now. there isn't really anything at all comparable from the left in scope or scale. Note that this study was done in early 2017, before the alt-right white supremacists really ramped up and peaked with their murder at Charlottesville in August. https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/dark-constant-rage-25-years-of-right-wing-terrorism-in-united-states