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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) I'll add 14 dollars. K, I'll send you and Wite the paypal address!

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:49 AM) The guy mentioned they discussed Peavy and Ramirez. But if Kaplan is saying Rios is close, maybe it's all three. But I can't see the Pirates being that bold. Ahh, I see...stuck in an all day meeting...trying to follow on my phone

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:42 AM) It's getting down to the end, which is nice. 26.5 hours. It wold be incredible if the Pirates got Peavy, Rios, and Alexei in the same deal. I don't see that happening, but it's fun to think about. Wow, it was for all three of them?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) I think that Jake Peavy is going to be traded to the Jupiter Martians today They really need a big arm to overtake Uranus.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:16 AM) Sale is not better than Manny Machado. Let's make that clear. At pitching? Yes he is!

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:03 AM) For the past week we've seen conflicting reports within minutes of each, often by the same reporter. Not sure why we'd believe anything we read now. Yeah, at this point, that info is just low-grade heroin to the addict.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 08:40 AM) I think Olney misquoted what was being said. Jon Heyman said that the White Sox "aren't afraid to keep Peavy" and build around him, which is more likely what we have been saying. Yeah, and to Dick's point, I think pulling him from the start does indeed show you are a bit afraid to keep him.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 08:37 AM) I agree. But then the only time a trade will occur is when the other GM needs something not when RH wants something. The good relationship will allow the other GM to work with RH when he really doesn't need to. This is better for the Sox in the long run and all it takes is sitting PV for a day. Fair points, I suppose. I suppose reasonable minds can disagree.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 08:31 AM) I think there isa fine line between a tough negotiator and being unreasonable. Keeping PV out is a courtesy. If you get known as unreasonable, I think it hurts your abilityto trade in the future because others will stay away. This is his first year so he needs to be tough as he's shown but also willing to work things out. Yeah, I can understand that, but I think the stakes are high enough in mlb that reputation or not, people are going to deal with you if you have the asset they need. It's not like they can go to the Best Buy in the next town over because the one nearby is run by an asshole General Manager. It's all very interesting to watch, however.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 06:10 AM) Got a call on Friday saying I should hear this week. I've given up. It sounds like they didn't have their ducks in a row and are now interviewing lower-level candidates. Thanks for wasting my time, company! Any news yet, Stevo?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 08:07 AM) I'd start him. It would be Hahn sending a message that if you want to screw around, you pay the consequences. It cost you at least one Peavy start. I fully expect him to be an ex-White Sox by gametime however. Don't they have to make a move for Rienzo? DA and I agree for the 3rd time in human history!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 07:57 AM) Yeah, if he isn't traded, he is just going to start tomorrow. No point in making him go out and try to pitch with everything he undoubtedly has on his mind right now. He'd pitch absolutely terribly, and then if a trade is consummated in the 4th inning, the Sox don't have to awkwardly pull him. Plus, I mean really, if the Sox keep him, they'll have such a good pitching staff next year, and with a pitching staff like that they can definitely compete next year This is the only consideration that would make me hold him out...but I dunno that it would affect Jake much, tbh, because it certainly didn't seem to affect him his previous two starts, when he damn-well knew he had eyes all over him. Edit: One thing that comes to mind though, which Hahn may be seeking to avoid, is the Ubaldo situation. I remember him making his start for Colorado right up against the deal they were making with Cleveland, and he did indeed s*** the bed, as I recall.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 07:53 AM) And I respectfully disagree with you, Shack. There's no loss of leverage by starting him, no "message to other teams that we're willing to move on with him" if he takes the mound. It isn't as if it's a secret that Peavy is on the block, but with a reserve -- that is, highest bidder gets him, BUT no bid considered unless > X. Were it not for the transparency of this overall situation, I'd agree with you. Send a message. But here, everybody knows what's going on, everybody knows there's a deadline looming, and everybody knows the Sox will keep Peavy, happily, if the threshold level demands are not meant. So, in that context, there is no reason whatsoever to start him tonight because there is absolutely nothing to be gained by doing so (plus the winning bidder gets a bonus of an immediate Peavy start). Push him back one day, play this "game" out through the Wednesday afternoon finish line, and, if he isn't traded, a one more day rested Peavy gets Wednesday night's start. In general, messages are fine and all, but in this overall context, nobody needs THIS message. More importantly, I definitely don't see this as ANY sign of weakness. It would have been a sign of weakness if he had prematurely shut Peavy down before today. But I think this was played perfectly - keep everyone guessing until the day of the start (or the night before - no difference really), but do the smart thing and don't risk anything goofy happening with TOMORROW afternoon being the deadline. PS ... The only strength necessary is to stick to the "threshold or greater" return demands and don't crater and become somebody's patsy. Well, we'll agree to disagree. I know if I was a GM and I wanted Peavy, I'd take this as a sign that Peavy will indeed be moved for the highest bid, as opposed to there is a "reserve" that must be met, as you mentioned. I would hold my ground and refuse to increase my offer, except perhaps incrementally. I certainly wouldn't be making a big increase. Now if we had Jake start tonight, I'd be thinking "this mfer (Hahn) is crazy as s***, and he means what he says" and I'd have no freaking clue whether my previous offers were really near that reserve you spoke of or not. And if I felt my Club really needed another arm for the stretch run, I'd probably be second guessing myself whether I should be giving up that better prospect or not.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 07:47 AM) This is also about keeping value for Jake Peavy. If he were to pitch tonight, he couldn't start again for five days. Now any team who trades for him can literally start him on day 1. Well, I get the impression that if getting him immediately was such a big concern, someone would have stepped up by now. Obviously, everyone involved is insisting on staying the course and holding their ground.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 07:34 AM) That's smart. I disagree. Unless we're really, really close on something (medicals), I'd start him. I think we give up some leverage by holding him out. Starting him sends a message to other teams that we're willing to move on with him in our rotation if we don't get solid offers. Hahn's first sign of weakness, IMHO.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 08:42 PM) I am sure Bogarets is packing his bags now... Btw, it's Bogaerts, not Bogarets.

The calm before the storm...

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) One name that people seem to ignore in the Bio genesis stuff is Bartolo Colon. If they announce suspensions as soon as tomorrow, maybe Oakland gets back in the Peavy sweepstakes. Apparently he's already served 50 games from that offense though...at least that's wha I read, so his suspension is uncertain.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 07:00 PM) It would be a really interesting trade. I understand the both sides of the argument though. How about Bogaerts/Bradley/Cecchini/Workman etc? Yep

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:58 PM) So you wouldn't consider Tavares, Martinez, Wacha, Adams, Wong and Blazek for him? I'd do it for the Boston spects

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:44 PM) Joking aside, I honestly wouldn't mind this. Especially if to Boston or St. Louis. Me neither

Steve Stone has been traded!!

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:23 PM) As for the 65 guests viewing this thread... WSI guys or fans of other teams... And Ken Rosenthal, Buster Olney, Jon Heyman.

You can't pull a greased tee out of my behind with a pair of pliers

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:40 PM) So either a.) Hayes is off a bit b.) Rienzo made his way from Charlotte to Cleveland in the past hour or c.) Andre is a dirty, filthy liar. Hayes doesn't know s***!