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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 12:27 PM) I guess you are putting down all those not so high on Alex Rios. If you want to see the true "mouth-breathers" go back to the first few pages of this thread and look at what people thought Rios could bring in a trade. Turns out, once again, Greg was correct. And a dead clock is correct twice a day. Look, if you just rip on every single player we have, you're going to be more correct than not these days. The problem is Greg's rationale for these opinions he has...which is nonsense almost in each and every case.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 12:26 PM) We have yet to post a lineup http://www.baseballpress.com/lineup.php Neither has half the league

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 12:15 PM) Yes Rios is not a bad player. If we're just eating money to not have him on our team, it makes no sense to do that. I'm with DA on this one...there is no reason to pay Rios to play for another team. If we were bulging at the seams with mlb-ready talent, it would be one thing. But we aren't.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 12:14 PM) Heyman said the Pirates offered organizational type prospects for Rios. What does that term mean, btw? Just filler?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 12:13 PM) JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm 15s Angels had no interest in a Trumbo deal with Pittsburgh...NO INTEREST lol NO INTEREST With authority! Take THAT, Pittsburgh!

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 12:08 PM) I thought the whole point of not including money in the Peavy deal was to allow flexibility in our Rios/Ramirez trade possibilities. This just pisses me off if it's actually true. What do they think is more expensive, eating a couple million now or preventing our ability to get better prospects and thus delaying our ability to compete even longer. I'd bet he's just going off the fact that we didn't eat any money in the Peavy deal. I don't believe anything any chicago reporter says about our future direction.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:49 AM) And yet they've already squandered 2 chances at a playoff birth by not making deadline moves and then falling apart in the 2nd half. MLB tends to not be kind to teams that just assume they'll be even more competitive next year. Or maybe they exhibited patience which will enable one hell of a run here... They're actually well ahead of schedule. They are winning this year with a retread pitching staff. Just wait til Cole and Taillon and others really come into their own.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:42 AM) Unless you are the Royals, anyone can make fun of the Pirates until they actually accomplish something. Huntington has done a hell of a job with them in a few short years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 11:40 AM) We are, however, definitely closing in on the point where we can make fun of the Pirates for standing pat, since it has worked so well for them the last couple years. I don't know if we are in any position to be making fun of the Pirates

Or my personal favorite:

OUR PET'S HEADS ARE FALLING OFF!

See, this is where I would argue we should have been trading pieces that had some perceived value. Keep the guys that are semi-productive that no one wants, but deal the guys that are younger and cost-controlled for better prospects. I know the Org probably thinks we aren't that far away, but I disagree. The odds that any of the guys on this current team are going to be major contributors to future success is relatively low, IMO. Trading Reed, De Aza, Beckham, Sale (gasp), could have brought back a slew of prospects that would form the basis of our next core. I think that route would have been preferable to the half-ass re-tool we are doing yet again.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 10:55 AM) As of now, Ian Kennedy will be the biggest name traded today. I just wonder if the Pirates and Cardinals are waiting on each other to make a move...then if one does, the other would react. Also shocked that Texas hasn't done anything.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 10:54 AM) Surprising how quiet it is with the White Sox today With everyone, honestly. I am hoping there will be a slew of trades in the next two hours.

http://www.fangraphs.com/not/ken-harrelson...nking-industry/

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 09:52 AM) @Ken_Rosenthal: Remember yesterday when @jonmorosi and I said that virtually all of the #Rangers were in play? List includes Garza. Rangers are apparently selling when only 5 back in division and 1 back in wild card?? What the f*** are they doing?? No, it means they are willing to move anyone to make a trade to get better. They probably don't want to move many more prospects and so they are willing to move pieces from their mlb club.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) They didn't get approval to hire for the position and thus wasted a lot of people's time. The fact that they actually told you that is a sign of their incompetence.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 08:11 AM) I looked everywhere as long as it was west of ridgeland. My wife is from there so she was my guide. Close to transportation with a big lot, both are valuable in that town it appears. I'm still very tentative about moving to the "burbs" but ill give it a shot. Tell us a bit about the place....and congrats, Rock!

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:00 PM) Jake looked like an expensive mistake at one point but continually put his money where his mouth was, working hard to come back from a potentially career-ending injury and later taking a hometown discount to be a White Sox +1 And he proved Fathom wrong in coming back to be a good pitcher again

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 06:53 AM) This was a hell of a deal for us. Peavy is an injury prone expensive starter and we got high upside prospects and our RF'er for next year moving forward. We also did this without paying a dime of Peavy's salary. Well done, so well done. I appreciate your insight, Rock...but let's not start bagging on Peavy because he's been moved. His contract was widely considered to be fair at worst, and a bargain at best. He had a nice year last year and was having a very nice year this year until the rib injury. Yes, he's had his injury problems, but has bounced back well from all of them. Fangraphs had him as a $20 million pitcher last year, and he's on his way to being a $12-15 million pitcher this year. His era is inflated from a couple of starts he made while pitching with a broken rib, which has led people to claim he is "league average." He's not a league average starter right now, he's a solid 2 or a 3 on a contending team. Acquiring that in the midst of a playoff race is difficult, even more so now with the second wild card. I think we did ok. Getting Garcia was a nice get, but at the same time, the commodity we moved was a nice get with a reasonable contract. I admire Hahn for really being creative and finding a way to get a high-upside player that isn't still in A-ball. Hopefully this deal comes back to haunt the Tigers down the road, but we'll have to wait and see.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 07:57 AM) If they pick up even $6 mill, I don't see any reason they can't make this work with someone. We need Kenny to get a job with someone else. He would totally be taking all of our players right now

It will be funny for Hahn tomorrow if Pittsburgh and St Louis are both looking at Rios and Ramirez, respectively. Wonder if one will be tempted to trade for both to try and keep the other from upgrading.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:15 PM) I missed it what was bucket alluding to? Jake mentioned that not paying any money for Peavy might pay immediate dividends tomorrow when we make further trades...Bucket seemed to imply that Jake had hit on something there