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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) I think Houston plays the wait and see game for the first half of the year before deciding to add an arm. If I were the Sox, I would tell these GMs that if they wait until the deadline, the price is going to be even higher. We're not bearing the risk of injury so they can play wait and see.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) I do. But I like what the top player in each deal, plus the depth of the other teams have to offer looks like too. I like Bregman as the top player to get, which is why Houston first. NYY is loaded with position player prospects. I think in a year we look back on Torres the way that Bregman and Benetendi are now. They could load up a deal with tons of position players. The Dodgers are loaded with hitters. I'd love to get a lot of their top position players, plus they have some great catching depth too, which is a big thing for me. Rockies have some great position prospects at the top, plus some good ones down their list, plus (again) catching that could go into a deal. So serious question...you feeling any better?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Please tell me this is an autocorrect fail? Pretty sure he just says no.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:58 AM) TBH i dont really understand Pittsburgh getting into the bidding at all. They arent a pitcher away from taking back the NL Central. They looked really mediocre at best last season, and dealing some of their prospects for Q just doesnt really make sense to me. I mean, im all for it, i would love to keep stacking prospects, I just dont really understand this rumor I think it's a question of does an asset like this fit our longterm plan. As a few of us have discussed, you can look at their situation in a number of ways: 1) They need to acquire talented veterans like Q on cost-controlled contracts by trading from their prospect base; 2) They need to keep their prospect base because they can't compete in any way other than by stacking cost-controlled talent. They likely are trying to pull off some mix of the two.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:39 AM) Many scouts and pundits feel that his stock has risen a lot recently, to the degree that public perception may lag behind his current value So what is the complimentary phrase for the guys heading down?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 21, 2016 -> 06:26 AM) If we end up with Meadows, we likely did well. From what I've been reading lately, dude has a lot of helium. What does this phrase mean?

Just booked a trip to Monte Carlo on the French Riviera over our honeymoon at the end of April. I'm going to surprise my wife on her birthday on Christmas Eve. Anyone ever been?

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:05 AM) Pulled the trigger on this last Friday. Couldn't be happier with it so far. Love it. Congrats!

You all are sharks smelling blood...

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 18, 2016 -> 01:18 PM) Nice loss, Fox is so getting fired I don't get this...why the heck would we want to fire him now?

QUOTE (Moncada @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) I just don't see the FO making a trade this big the week of XMAS or New Years. Which means nothing will happen until January. Just my opinion though I think in the day and age of texting and cell phones, that goes out the window for the most part. These guys are probably sending proposals to each other over Christmas egg nog and to get away from their mother in laws just like the rest of us.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 07:23 PM) I don't get firing a coach in the middle of a rebuild. But then again the Bears are a s*** show. It's amazing how in Chicago you see the dichotomy between well run franchises and terrible ones Just remember what was before Fox came in. I don't love Fox, but compared to what he walked into, it's 180 degrees different.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 05:30 PM) I would prefer we keep Quintana and build our staff around him No! You're kidding!

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Fwiw KLaw mentioned in his chat today how awful the rumored Astros package would have been for Hahn. He also said he's not sure if that was the actual trade discussion. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that thinks that return sucks.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) There was one person who was against it. The speculation you talked about was when the trade initially was speculated as Q and Eaton for potentially Turner, Robles, Gio, ++ The only real reason for this post: I can't sleep. Tallyho. And you're not reading carefully either.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 08:18 PM) I'm not sure which poster(s) you're referring to, but Tucker would be a co-headliner coming back to us with Martes or Whitley. Not the only "centerpiece". I was simply stating the case for taking him on as one of the main pieces given that you are turned off by a prospects' age/inexperience in a deal for Q. K Tucker Martes or Whitley Reed or Teoscar Stubbs or one of their high ceiling 16-18 year old Latin signings I've said all along I'd like Tucker as a secondary piece. I was under the impression you'd take him as your headliner. I don't love Martes, but I trust the Sox SP acquisitions. If they want him, I assume they see something they can work with.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) Teoscar has his faults but he's made it to the show despite them. For a team punting a season he's the exact type you'd like to plug in for 600 PA and see what he's really got. Better than another trip the Avisail Garcia road. Even if he cannot hit well enough his defense will be a nice little boost as the Sox bring some of their big time arms to the MLB squad. Ahh, the mlb reports didn't speak highly of his defense.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 08:02 PM) I'd do Kyle Tucker, Teoscar Hernandez, Franklin Perez and A.J. Reed for Quintana no sweat. I think I've already made my case for Kyle Tucker. Teoscar Hernandez is a stupendous athlete with colossal defensive upside and some real pop but has a bit of a strikeout problem. Reed crashed and burned in his big league debut and the signings of Gurriel and Beltran have sunk him even further down the depth chart. Astros aren't going to waste big league PA's this year hoping he develops unless they decimated by injuries. I'm not a big fan of Reed but he's intriguing as a buy-low candidate. Hernandez and Reed are two guys the Sox would absolutely love to give full season opportunities in a rebuilding year. Franklin Perez is a crazy high upside 19 year old RHP. Hernnandez sounds like about 10 other guys we've drafted/signed that have gone on to do absolutely nothing. Perez certainly sounds intriguing.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 05:23 PM) Also apparently there was 3 teams on Eaton, was not made in a vacuum. Plus pretty sure had we polled pre trade 90% of board would have said that was no where near enough for 5 years of Eaton blah blah. Now after trade it's fleecing of century. People talk about names so much they lose meaning, then we get some and we remember how valuable some of our acquisitions are. Just go back and read the thread from about 10 minutes before the trade happened. We were speculating it had to be Giolito/Lopez and while we didn't guess Dunning, folks definitely were not pleased with that return. I'm not sure Dunning changed that, but I doubt it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) I think I may have missed something but I was mostly referring to a Martes/Tucker/Musgrove package, but also I am comfortable and happy with a Martes/Tucker/Reed/Jake Rodgers or something toward end. Yeah, I was replying to the folks who are willing to make Tucker the centerpiece, not Martes along with Tucker as a complimentary piece.

Ok, so if Tucker is the centerpiece, what deal do you guys take? Because if he is the centerpiece for me, I want another 3-4 guys with some really nice ceilings. Otherwise, I want a guy that has shown something in AA/AAA. If teams won't do that now, fine. I wait. And test them again in July. Because it is not me that has the pressure to compete this year. It's them. And maybe in July, I've seen that Tucker has taken the next step and it requires less projection from me. Maybe Tucker has taken a step back or injured himself and I can save myself from making a mistake I may have made back in the offseason. You guys are some really poor poker players though if you're just willing to give in after 5 days and accept some mediocre package because Luhnow or Bridich waited your giddy ass out after the Winter Meetings.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 05:57 PM) You gotta get honest with yourself man. 1 of those players were offered for Chris Sale, hitter-wise. Two including the Nats-Sale deal with Giolito that didn't go down (and he's a pitcher - much riskier for the acquiring team). With how teams value prospects these days, there is almost no chance of getting a MLB ready position player elite prospect for Q unless you want to do a 1-for-1 swag for Bregman or someone (which I personally do not - I prefer a depth deal with an equally talented but further along player like the guys we've mentioned). I'm not even sure the Astros would do a Bregman/Q 1-for-1. So both major trades we've done, we received a top prospect back. That is still the asking price for Q as far as I am concerned. As far as getting honest with ourselves...it's been 5 days since we completed those trades. We've got all KINDS of time to keep lying to ourselves, if thats what you think this is.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 05:02 PM) No doubt. But those guys aren't in abundance/aren't being offered from the sounds of it. Not on December 12, no. Let's give it a few more weeks.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 04:46 PM) Sure, current ranking place on top prospect lists, sure. Talent wise, I personally consider them all to be part of the same group of prospects who project to be future all stars. Moncada has already sniffed the Bigs and is near-MLB ready. Obviously he's going to be higher ranking-wise after proving himself at AA and reaching the Majors. Yeah, but isn't there a pretty huge chasm between a guy that has done it at all levels and a guy who has done it in A-ball? To me, that chasm is the difference between the centerpiece and the secondary piece.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 04:39 PM) Headliner doesn't necessarily constitute the majority of the value in a deal. I would say Dunning and Lopez together are more valuable than Giolito, and Giolito was the headliner. After the Sale and Eaton trades the Sox figure to be pretty pitiful for at least 2017, so right there any value derived from Quintana is basically being wasted. Barring some minor miracles the same could be said for 2018. At that point half of this value has basically evaporated into thin air and you're no longer even getting whatever 2018-19 offseasons equivalent of Kyle Tucker is alone for Quintana, let alone that and a package of more players. In regard to the bolded, fair enough. But for Q, I would prefer that we don't compromise. He's worth someone that has a little less projection required.