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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) It's game over man, game over. The players are just getting terrible advice. They are not going to get a better deal than the one they've been offered.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 14, 2011 -> 09:54 AM) I've been gone a bit, two quick things... 1. When I earlier ranted about the vitriol aimed at the supposed victims of Cain, to be clear, I was NOT saying that their backgrounds are not fair game. They are. What was appalling to me was the ASSUMPTIONS being made, that they were clearly jus going for money. That made me ill. I don't assume Cain's guilt, nor do I assume the victims are perpetrating some massive unfounded conspiracy. If you are one of the people who immediately fell into one of those camps early on, then you are not dealing in logic or reality. 2. Newt Gingrich's arrogance trumps not only Obama, but everyone in that GOP field, and that is something... but, I would suggest that if Gingrich wins the nomination, he'd have a better shot at beating Obama than Mittens would. Gingrich has a unique pairing of build that no other GOP candidate has... he is seen as a true conservative AND has shown he can work both sides of the aisle at the national level to get things done. No other GOP candidate can pull that kind of support from both the right wing and the moderates/independents. Please. It's entirely logical given the context. Maybe not all of the accusers, but certainly the one who wanted to become the face of it.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) That's the second Illinois football player that has been significantly hurt after an attack at a party in the last few seasons (Wilson being the other after being stabbed). What the f*** is going on down there? When I grew up in the C-U area the campus never had those problems. My guess is that more and more locals are going to campus parties and starting trouble. Champaign isn't exactly filled with prosperity at the moment, and my guess is more thugs are venturing to campus at night. We've seen a huge amount of armed robberies, assaults, etc around campus the past few years, or they are at least more public about reporting them. Oh, and if you haven't seen this video yet, check it out: Armed robbery at Espresso Royale. Jesus. Yeah that crap never happened when I was there. As a high schooler in the late 90's I was on campus every weekend and never, ever could have imagined something like that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) Suh is such a dirty POS. Pssh, there was nothing wrong with what he did there. He was attacking the guy and pulled his helmet off with momentum. Tillman just did the exact same thing to Burleson about 4 plays prior.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 13, 2011 -> 03:46 PM) Illinois senior LB Henry was shot at a party last night, along with 2 other people. Apparently he was shot in the hand and had surgery on it already, but will miss the remainder of the season. It's been reported that he went to the party only after getting called to get some other football players out of it. That's the second Illinois football player that has been significantly hurt after an attack at a party in the last few seasons (Wilson being the other after being stabbed). What the f*** is going on down there? When I grew up in the C-U area the campus never had those problems.

hell yes. Great start for the Bears.

Douche and a turd sandwich: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...0,4293298.story

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 05:19 PM) Newt's problem in a debate against anyone, where he's 1 on 1, is coming off as way too condescending. You can hear it in plenty of the clips from these debates, and in a 90 minute debate, each of them only gets like 10 minutes to talk. In 45-50 minutes, telling the viewers that "The elites won't tell you this" only works so many times. His directness is the opposite of Obama's blathering. I think it'll come off as being on point, having an actual answer. Not just being a snobby elite.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 07:07 PM) i told you guys Newt Gingrich was going to make a legit run at the nomination. I would love to see him and Obama in a debate. Romney might match him, but I think Newt would make Obama look like an amateur.

Hey Paul Petrino. Nice to see you again. Been about 4 weeks.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd. i'm out. Zook, f*** you. Hope you get fired after this complete no show. Prob gonna be the first team in NCAA history to go 6-0 and then 0-6. Edit: What the f*** his Hoke doing? Terrible decision to go on 4th, terrible play call. Second edit: LOL, Ford. Ugh. And i'm really out this time.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) It certainly is a mess, but in what world is Illinois winning out in those two games? Yeah, the way they started this game, it's more likely they'll lose both games. Zooker strikes again.

ha, and of course illinois gives up a quick td to start the game.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 12, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) The streak is ova. Wisconsin should end up in the title game. The leaders division could get real ugly pretty easy. Penn St could easily lose the next 2 (OSU and WIS) OSU could lose at least one more (MICH) WIS could lose one (IL) IL could win out (MICH and WIS) PUR could win out (IND and IOWA) 5 teams, 3 losses each. What a mess.

So far it's been pretty awful play. Sucks that MSU guy just got hurt. Screaming for 20-30 seconds is not a good sign...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) The problem I have with this is that it doesn't add up. Why would Paterno keep someone whom who believed falsely accused a friend of child molestation on the staff? Well, that's a fair point, but again he's the football coach, not J. Edgar Hoover. Fact is right now we just don't know. And I find that it's bulls*** that he got run out of town and basically pegged as equally terrible as Sandusky BEFORE even hearing his explanation. All indications are that he wanted to come out and talk about it, but that the school wouldn't let him. Maybe in the next week or two he will, but what's the point now, he's lost his job. Simply from the sake of moving on from this tragedy Penn State had to clean house. I get that (though it's f***ed that they keep the GA). But I don't understand why having Paterno "coach" 3 more games would have ended the world.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 05:51 AM) Good point. And just to drive this home, if you saw a boy get raped and you didn't call police, you just told someone else, then find out the man continued rape boys, will you say, hey I told "the most powerful man in Happy Valley", don't blame me? And Joe isn't the biggest victim, that is a disgusting statement to make and blatantly unfair to even insinuate that I would believe that. What I have said is Paterno is being portrayed as the second biggest villain here, the written wrath against Paterno exceeds that of Sandusky. I see Paterno's responsibility behind that of the GA, the AD, and the university president. Right next to the dad. As I read additional reports from prior to 2002, I am agreeing with his removal. But I really wish the wrath that is being placed on Paterno was instead placed on the eye f***ing witness who did not call police. Amen. And reading the posts from when I left last night, people are still ASSUMING as fact that Paterno was told of the rape. Yes, that's what McQueary said, but Paterno denied that he said anything specific. And quite frankly, that's not surprising. It's entirely reasonable that McQueary was disgusted with what he saw, and instead of repeating, in detail, what happened, he just said "Sandusky was doing something inappropriate with a kid." I don't understand why if that's the case (and it might not be, I realize this) why was it not enough for Paterno to tell his superiors and have McQueary work with his superiors? Maybe it becomes like the 1998 incident, where it's incredibly inappropriate, but not to the level of criminal (and yes, I know Paterno admitted to hearing about fondling, but maybe the AD and VP told him, no no, McQueary was wrong, he was mistaken). I mean who the f*** knows, and that's the point. If Paterno is getting lied to and told everything is ok, nothing criminal happened, why should Paterno be expected to continue to follow up? For all we know Paterno followed up with McQueary, who also lied about it to him (After all, despite knowing what he saw, and despite knowing what kind of lame punishment Sandusky got, HE NEVER REPORTED ANYTHING TO ANYONE AGAIN). Iamshack repeated this point approx 7000 times - why the f*** can we not wait to hear the full story before going apes*** over this?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) Jesus christ, you think that artucle helps your point? lol. No, I just think she brings up some interesting points. Looks pretty shady all around. Axelrod working his chicago politics magic.

it's the same f***ing script after each one of these marathon meetings.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:50 PM) Paterno is an influential and famous man. "Investigate this case or I'm calling SI" means this case gets investigated and doesn't get stonewalled by PSU, if we assume that's what happened. And yeah, again, for the 11.4 trillionth time, Paterno's one guy in a long list of fail. When was the DA been notified of 2002 incident? Actually sorry, I got my dates mixed up. The campus police AND the DA failed to do anything about the 1998 incident, even though the mother of the victim explained what happened. The 2002 stuff didn't come out until the grand jury investigation.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:47 PM) I can say with certainty that had Paterno gone to the police, he would not be the ire of so many right now. But he didn't, so you are hanging on that it wouldn't matter. I disagree, but do know that at the point of him filing a police report on record would satisfy many's threshold for conviction and compassion in the face of evil. Doubtful. Paterno would get a pass in this case only if he had insured that the electric wires on the electric chair were attached to Sandusky's balls in 1998. Or at least that's the impression i'm getting from the majority on this board.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:41 PM) I'm going to assume that one of the most influential men at PSU telling the cops to investigate this negates a PSU cover-up. Also, I'm not aware that the police were informed of the 2002 incident, but I may be wrong. They were informed 4 years earlier about another incident. THEY could have ended it there, without any of Paterno's additional input. But the fact is, even when the cops are involved, and the DA has been notified (of the 2002 incident) NOTHING f***ING HAPPENED. So no, you cannot say with certainty that Paterno's notification to the police would have resulted any differently here. Now, whether Paterno could have used other means to get this s*** out, that's another issue. And he certainly could have told Sandusky to get the f*** out even if the police/university didn't.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:39 PM) yep, and the DA that was following up on it ended up dead. And you know what happens in those cases? Other DA's pick up the file and resume the case. Yet no one did...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:31 PM) And you say that I am deflecting. Do you deny that the police were aware of Sandusky's actions themselves, right from his own mouth, and did not prosecute him, and yet you expect me to believe Paterno is the one that should have done more? This is ridiculous. The end result of Joe doing what he was morally obligated to do actually occurred - the police were aware of Sandusky's actions. And yet he still continued his predatory activity. So what would it have mattered had Joe brought it to their attention? Now they would have known doubly as much? Bingo.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2011 -> 04:31 PM) My point was that you shouldn't be such a dick to others about "take a logics class" and then fail a basic example. You want to go through the premises one by one, I'm game. Sure I can, if Paterno reports this to the police, I can safely assume he's going to jail, where he won't have access to children and PSU. All of those people failing are necessary conditions. People are focusing on Paterno because some people are still defending him sitting in child fondling allegations for almost a decade, but everyone in this thread has expressed the opinion that PSU needs to "clean house" and I've personally said that Paterno is near the back of the line here. You've just heard a story about a major educational institution completely ignoring routine protocol as part of a blatant cover-up (including the campus police, which i'm sure has the same force and authority under the law as city, county or state police), and yet you're now going to assume that telling the cops will end in this guys arrest? You know the DA that was informed about this did absolutely nothing too right?