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Oh, and Baseball America already dropped Holliday to their #2 prospect on their updated list after he was #1 on their preseason list (mlb pipeline hasn’t updated theirs since the preseason). Similar thing happened to Moncada after his cup of coffee in the MLB back in 2016. Apparently 20 at bats was enough of a look for the Red Sox to include him in a trade a couple months later.

Holliday is less valuable in a trade today than he was 6 months ago without a doubt. He’s still extremely valuable but imo no longer an untouchable like he was in the offseason.

There’s no question Holliday’s stock is down. Reminds me a bit of Moncada following his callup to the Red Sox. Obviously, still very valuable and highly touted but the untouchable mystique (like a Skenes) has worn off imo.

Agreed and since @Rolle Tideonly cares about actual results this season Grayson is more like a #3 than a strong #2 this year.

I don’t understand why everyone loves Miller. A few weeks ago the board consensus was they’d rather have Miller than Painter. I don’t get it. I understand Painter comes with injury risk but the sky is the limit for that kid. I don’t see the same with Miller personally.

Fedde has pitched 41 more innings than Suarez so far this year, which is considerable. Fedde also dominated and was the MVP of the KBO last year for what it’s worth. If we’re talking track records, Grayson has a career ERA higher than Cease’s and only 216 career MLB innings. Seems like a very shaky #2 imo.

Fedde would be your #2, based on results (no, I don’t trust Suarez to maintain an ERA below 3.5 by season end).

Didn’t the Yankees make a significant trade for Juan Soto last offseason? They’re good for at least one big trade a year on average it seems so I don’t really understand your point here?

For reference, Spencer Jones (who the Yankees have tagged as untouchable) has a 37.2% strikeout this season as a 23 year old in AA.

For a contender, he’s a strong #3. Crochet is in the Chris Sale realm when it comes to pure stuff. His only question is health and he’s proven to be a very healthy 25 year old this season.

There’s actually quite a few in the 92 range. Not too many in the 91 range but he’s not the type of pitcher to live and die with his fastball velocity anyways.

The Orioles board may not have thought Cease was an ace but many thought Luzardo was and worth selling the farm for. So I’m not sure they’re the best judge of talent either.

The Fedde proposal is likely one where both fan bases are not completely happy, which means it’s fair. Norby is never going to see consistent playing time for the Os so neither guy contributes to their WS pursuit this season or next.

Norby + Beavers seems like a fair deal for Fedde + Kopech

Holliday + Wagner + Horvath

Kyle Hendricks wasn’t a big K guy either and he’s often the comp for Thorpe. Don’t need big K numbers to be highly successful despite what the advanced metrics folks say. My one concern with Thorpe has been his walks but I think that’s simply a function of him nibbling too much after he’s ahead in the count. Once he gets more comfortable and learns to trust his stuff at the big league level that should improve.

You do realize he’s only 3 years into a 14 year contract and is injury prone right? Let’s see how it plays out. I wasn’t concerned about the front half of that contract but the second half yikes

Obviously, there’s only one option with Jerry.

Exactly

It’s sad you’re spending time going thru all my old posts. That was posted well before you were a member on this site. That’s dumber (or more pathetic) than anything I’ve ever posted.

Yep, I said his contract will age terribly and I still firmly believe that. What have the Padres won with all their big trades and big free agent signings?

I’m no fan of Flaherty personally. I don’t think Os fans are either but I’ll let them respond to that rather than speak on their behalf. @Rolle Tide?

For all of our FIP fans out there. Flaherty’s is nearly identical to Cease’s for his career.

Do you think Fedde or Cease is having a better 2024? Do you consider Fedde a strong #2 on a playoff contender? I don’t.

Well, Drew Thorpe is on the verge of starting his career 3-1 with an ERA in the low 3s for a team that’s on pace to lose 115 games. If people aren’t happy with the trade, it’s because they irrationally dislike Getz…