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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) No. What a ringing endorsement for no. I could definitely see them heading in a direction that it is at the very least a possibility that they may pull from the city. How many more years are we going to be able to get by with having atrocious attendance and ratings that continually drop? Let alone a core fan base that is sincerely jumping ship from supporting this team in any way.

Ever since the team completely fell on their face once the 2015 season began a year and a half ago it seems Hahn has lost a lot of, if not all, the confidence and trust from the fan base and it appears it isn't repairable. The public sees a FO that doesnt seem to be in line with one another. There is no synergy throughout the organization (Phil Emery reference:)). The moves that have been made have rarely panned out which were questioned by many at the time they were made. Admittedly some of the moves many of us liked, but because of the trust that we had in them that they were doing the right thing and that they were going according to plan (2-3 year window which they spoke of). They give constant mixed signals in the media, whether it be different directions of philosophy from KW and Hahn or what they are thinking one week being different from what they just said the week before. They build up ideas through the media to the fans that they dont quite follow through with and it leaves the fans in an outrage because they did not meet the expectations that THEY PUT IN OUR HEADS. When they talk about going for it they strike out on all the big FA's that were available. They talk about identifying that this team isnt good enough and they have to get better before the trade deadline only to trade a bullpen arm in Duke which is one of the last guys you would think we needed to move. They have a 12 year old leader spark a revolt in the locker room during spring training. They have the best player cutting up jerseys on game day. No one shows respect for their manager publicly. They all do a terrible job of building a good relationship with the media and fans. There is no confidence in the team currently or for the future, nobody shows up to games, poor TV ratings and the core fan base (Us) which has always been strong is straying away from having any interest or respect for the organization whatsoever. Could the Sox be a team that relocates in the next decade? I dont see the support waiting to be there for them even if they do come around and have a surprise season next year or the year after. It wont come until they change from the top down.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 04:11 PM) Are we supposed to enjoy a crap product? I am not mocking anyone, that statement was actually me.

I will actually watch to see what he looks like. BUT I AM NOT GOING TO ENJOY IT. FRUF FRUF FRUF FRUF FRUF

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 04:05 PM) People are upset the Sox didn't make a move, but if they had, they'd be justifiably getting blasted for doing a lopsided deal that wasn't in their favor. Initially you will always get that reaction in circumstances like that but most times the next day those same people warm up to the trade and move on pulling for the prospects they got. Except for the negative thinking few. Hell, most of us will probably start warming up to the idea that they stood pat this trade deadline in a few days...actually no, no we wont.

QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine 39s39 seconds ago Hahn - On fans reaction . We have special talent here so there is a lot of frustrating feelings about our record https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/760218060477370368 We're going for it guys LMAO Nooooooooooooo we dont Hahn. I really hope you dont believe this.

I know I'm excited.

I would feel better if the FO gave the fans some sort of idea to their line of thinking and the grand scheme of things but I am sure its hard for them to be transparent when they have no idea what the hell the plan is themselves. I dont think I fully realized or accepted until now that they have been winging every move they make as they go for years. They arent measured and methodical but are just simpletons who see what they have a taste for once dinner time comes around.

I have to take a step back from this team for a while. I want to understand what the hell they are doing and what may be their plan but right now it sure appears to be a s*** show.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) To be perfectly honest, I would be just fine if they said Moncada, Benintendi, and Devers for Sale. Done Deal. Obviously, I don't know the specifics of the discussions, but if were dicking around with lottery ticket A Ball players being added im just dumbfounded by it. That's 3 of the top 23 prospects in baseball, 2 of which are performing at a high level in Double A. That's MORE than enough for Chris Sale. This will more than likely be an unpopular take on the proposed Sale packages Totally agree with that. Then you trade Q to the Dodgers for Urias +1. Is that for sure equal to talent? No you may get burned but you will also likely have a better team next year and a better future for years to come if those guys pan out.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) Where are you seeing that they haven't tried anything else? I am sure that they did but definitely didnt try hard enough. Every one is still here for a team that is desperately begging to be dismantled.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:43 PM) I'm now officially nervous. This will be a major blunder if they don't trade pieces such as Robertson, Frazier, Melky, Gonzalez, Shields, etc. Blown opportunity. That is the worst of all of this. If you couldnt get fair value for Sale and Q fine but the fact you didnt try to bring in some young talent for ANY of the other guys is unbelievable.

If they dont make any moves other than Duke they have definitely blown this. Big time.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) MLBN says Moncada definitely won't be traded, but Benintendi would be included for Sale... nothing groundbreaking here Then yeah, Sale isnt going anywhere.

I am fine with not trading Sale or Q if you werent offered fair value in return, but to make no moves on trade deadline day for a team that you have admitted to be mired in mediocrity is beyond f***ing me.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:38 PM) Really surprised there is 0 quintana chatter and has been. Kind've reaffirms that others don't see his market as the same. I think it was Heyman this morning on the radio saying that the Sox were more motivated to move Sale because his return appears to be double of Quintana's. People dont think of Q as a number 1 so that dont want to give what he is worth. Q is totally an ace in my opinion.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:35 PM) It has to suck being Dombrowski right now. Dombrowski knows he is picking up that phone at about 230.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine Shields for Puig false rumor . Please discount . A public service alert from your humble baseball servant . He's always wrong though right? He is wrong when he throws out his "maybe's" and "possibly's" but he probably knows for sure this rumor is BS if he is flat out saying its false. IMO

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) Joel ShermanVerified account ‏@Joelsherman1 Told #Redsox are NOT discussing Sale #whitesox I dont believe any of this stuff. Every one is trying to play hardball with each other.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) I really don't understand this. If I was the White Sox GM, I would tell them, this is what I want. Unless you are willing to agree to that price, don't call me anymore. The Redsox musts be close enough to warrant the energy from the Sox.

If the Sox pick up Puig wouldnt that kind of label them as buyers at the deadline?

Reddick and Hill to Dodgers per Rosenthal

Reddick and Hill to Dodgers per Rosenthal

Shields for Puig? Sign me up for that.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:35 AM) Benintendi wiki page is updated to say he's on the White Sox. Might mean nothing, but might... Every time this year someone falls for this. It means nothing.