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Are you seriously saying the school board elected professionals (car salesman, home makers, secretaries, etc. ) know enough to determine years in advance, when a kid who brings a gun is safe to have return? I am not saving he shouldn't be removed. I am saying that some car salesman school board member is not the one to determine what is safe for my kids. You trust the two years that the elected school board politicians decided was enough. I'll trust child health care professionals who evaluate each kid. I think that each case should be evaluated individually. Some kids may never be safe and should never be allowed back in school, others may be safe before 2 years. Most of these zero tolerance laws were enacted because local school boards felt they knew better than trained child professionals when a kid would be safe in society. Do you really prefer the school board vs. child mental health professionals to decide these matters? Remember we also had a 1st grader expelled for sexual harrasement for trying to kiss another 1st grader. I do not believe a one size fits all policy is in our best interest. I want each kid evaluated to make certain he is safe to be in a school with my kids. I don't want some car salesman on the school board to tell me some kid is safe to be around my kid because the was punished for two years. You can trust in the two year punishment that the politicians on the school year decided was enough for bringing a gun too school. I do not place that much faith in elected officials. I would rather each kid get evaluated by professionals.

In some cases that is exactly what should happen. But these one size fits all policies do not allow for that. Perhaps this kid should never be allowed back in, instead it was decided years ago he should have two years out. I'm stating that someone should decide when THIS KID should be allowed back in. I don't care if they say 2 months or never. As long as it applies to this kid. It scares me they will just automatically allow him back in two years from now.

And the girl with the butter knife is cast in the same net. Not allowed back in her school. Can you not see the insanity in these rules? Why are people better equiped to make a one size fits all policy years in advance but not equiped to make a case by case based on the facts of that particular situation? Steff, so you also agree the girl with Midol and the girl with the butter knife should also have been expelled? They knew the policy, the signed it. Is society better off?

You are correct there isn't a fair comparison except one: The comparison is all three got expelled, without appeals, without any options for the educators. The girl with the butter knife was a honor roll student with perfect behavior but the school's hands were tied because of a zero tolerance policy.

If someone can explain to me why two years is a magical number I could be convinced it is better than allowing people to decide. Why he isn't ready in 1 year 11 months but he is at 2 years. Why everyone needs two years, why some kids don't need three or four and some only one. Why some kids shouldn't be permanately expelled and some should only be given a warning. Months or years before this situation happened someone decided that this kid, in this situation, with that pellet gun, for those reasons, should sit out exactly two years. I find it amazing that they knew exactly what was best for everyone involved before it happened.

But something may resonate in his being while attending a Buddist Temple that doesn't when he visits a Mormon Church or Mosque.

Because in some post Columbine, post 9/11 society we went to extremes and tied the hands of people to use some common sense in handling these issues. We can turn back the clock and put some reason back into these policies. Zero Tolernance has gotten: A 13 year old girl expelled for bring Midol to school, she didn't want to bother the school nurse and was a bit embarrased about having her period. Violated the no drugs ban. A 11 year old girl expelled for bring a plastic butter knife to school to cut the chicken in her lunch box. Violated the no weapons policy. We need to allow people to make decisions based on the circumstances at hand and not based on some unflexing policy. I am in favor of people close to the situation making the decision, not some one size fits all punishment. Look at the flip side, what about the kid who hasn't changed, should he be allowed back in 2-years because that's the punishment? He must be cured because he's been gone two years.

Arizona

Too bad ChiSoxxy hasn't been around much lately, she probably has the most varied background in the world's religions. If I can offer a suggestion, and since we seem to be discussing Christian religions, I will limited my ideas there. Take time to visit a few Churches of different denominations to find one you are comfortable in. Visit with the Pastor or perhaps some of the lay ministers or other followers. A big factor in what you gain from Church is how welcome you feel. Drop into a decent Christian bookstore and look at books about the Bible. Ask for help in finding one that is more mainstream. There are some over the top doomsday stuff that IMHO is just weird. Pick up a Bible translation that you like. There are literally dozens of translations, some easier to read and comprehend than others. There are several Bible reading plans that will have you "cover to cover" in a year, but not by going Genesis to Revelation. Wading through the Old Testament first can be a bit challenging. One I recommend is the Life Application Study Bible with features the New Living Translation. At the end of your walk there are a couple outcomes. You may emerge with a greater understanding of yourself and God's plan for you. Or you may emerge as a non believer. Either way it will be an informed decision.

It is a bad thing. Shall we just lock the kid away until he's 18? When can he be allowed back into society? When shall he be allowed to play with other kids, go to a movies, walk the streets, go to the library, return to school? 3 months? 6 months? 2 years? 25 years? Do you want to punish the kid foreveer for what may be a single instance of a kid trying to defend himself from bullies after teachers did nothing?

Little Big Man

Over??? Nothing's over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now! Who's with me!?" I will believe until we are mathematically eliminated s***, I'm kidding. It's over.

The Trib has always been part of the vast right wing conspiracy. I cannot understand why they would give coverage to a team who will probably be playing in the postseason and totally ignoring a team who is only 9 games out with less than a month to go. I'll bet they'll be jumping on the bandwagon when the Sox make up 9 games in 10 days.

I think the gun debate suffers when personal protection gets mixed in. I believe for home security, a handgun is not very effective and the risks, especially if children are in the house, out weigh the potential benefit. If someone breaks into your home and they are intent on harming you, you will not have much time to react. Your gun would need to be accessible, loaded, and ready to go. Those are the exact same set of circumstances that makes having a gun around children dangerous. I am much more comfortable arguing that law abiding sportsmen and recreational shooters should continue to have access to these tools. I also think when the politicians were dealing out issues, the Dems got the worst hand here.

The official count has been lowered a couple times.

I remember the days before the internet when I would run up huge phone bills dialing into bulletin boards. Cable is cool

Star Wars (pick one)

Says the lady with the killer looks

They are the #1 show because they are not mainstream? Rush states that the media is biased and the only source for the truth is his show, yet he isn't media?

The stated punishment is 2 years out of school. Why not cut it in half if the kid has been well behaved and hasn't done anything else? By the info given, this was a one time thing to stop bullying.

Like the world will stop selling us the batteries for our toys As long as we are the world's biggest energy hogs with a near endless list of ways to burn fossil fuels, they keep drilling.

Excuse me, I forgot Rush is not mainstream, that he's a fringe commentator. Are we ashamed of our soldier's sacrifice? Are we ashamed we sent them to liberate Iraq? Why are we trying to hide the death toll? Do you remember how Walter Cronkite finished every one of his broadcasts during the Vietnam police action? Doesn't it honor them to pause and remember their sacrifice? But Rush and the rest of the media will not? Perhaps they think it will cast an unfavorable light on their candidate? SO we ignore the deaths to elect their candidate, that's wrong, very wrong. Rush and Hannity have the #1 and #2 rated radio shows in the country. Nationwide. More people here their opinions than any other people on the planet. And they are not mainstream? Come on Kap, don't play their game of pretending not to be the media. They are the biggest media players in the world.