Texsox

I'm shocked

Thank God they found her. Anyone want to bet her attacker was a loner guy, really dorky, who imagined a relationship? In general why are guys so much more f***ed up than women?

Situation A: Wouldn't you be stealing your own car? I guess the scenario I'm thinking is a prostitute who doesn't get paid. Perhaps she heads off to a motel to work out the details of the transaction and once inside is forced to have sex. Would tossing her a $1 make a difference?(sorry ladies I can't think of another way to state the question) For example, if she agreed to a BJ for $20 and then the customer forced her to have intercourse, would it be rape? Of course we would then have to debate what "sex" is.

Do you mind if I reply?

You aren't missing anything. I understand that not every Iraqi was enthusiastic about the liberation. But to do that to any human is disgusting. It is hard not remember we are trying to help these people. This looks more like we are against them.

Would it be rape if instead of paying her the agreed upon price, he paid her $0.01?

I think I understand what you are saying. If she is committing illegal prostitution she has forfeited her right to be protected by the rape laws. If what she is doing is legal, then she should be protected by the law. That is interesting. Kind of like the guy who called police when someone robbed him of his marijuana at gun point. Since he was engaged in an illegal act, the police were not going to help him.

thank you. Someone needs to add some stuff. I'm trying to get a few different things going. I figure next week SL&P should be dead with the season starting.

Could the fact she was working as a prostitute be used by the defense? Do you think the rapist could be convicted?

I wasn't. I goofed and hit quote instead of reply. Let me fix that.

In another thread it is being discussed about the behavior of Kobe's accuser and whether her sexual history is relevent. To take this to an extreme, and not to infer in anyway that she is a prostitute, if we believe no means no, and history means nothing, is it possible for prostitute, while working, to be raped?

If you would like to debate the length of his sentence, I would agree he got out earlier than I think was fair. I used him as an example of someone who was rehabilitated and was a functioning, contributing member of society. I believe he is no longer a threat to anyone. I also believe other criminals have also been rehablitated. Should someone who serves his sentence be allowed to earn a living and just how good of a living should it be? Should we tell them they have forfeited their right to hold any position? If he was a janitor, would you argue he took the job away from someone who would be a great janitor and hadn't committed a crime?

A. Innocent until proven guilty. B. Just because someone is accused of a crime, doesn't mean they forfeit their rights. C. Just because someone is innocent doesn't mean they should forfeit their rights.

No. But I am wondering what elese we should do? Give them more money? Counseling? What else should society do?

He did pay his debt. He was a model prisoner, and led an exemplary life after getting paroled. You even say he *was* a murderer and scumbag. I assume that means he isn't now. He did not tell employers about his murder conviction so that he could be gainfully employed. I wonder if he would have led such a respectable life after parole if he was denied employment and the means to raise his family. Can every murderer be rehabilitated? I don't think so. Some can. I always think those crimes if passion murders, someone finds out his wife is having an affair, etc. can be rehabilitated.

What more would you like to do for the victim?

They can, and have been. Link here

Casino Equipment as in slot machines, video poker, etc.

Exactly my point. Our system assures that we rarely convict an innocent person. If we allowed our rights to be trampled, more innocent people (and more criminals) would be convicted. No, I do not support the death penalty. 1. Not a deterent. The murder rate in states that execute a lot of criminals is as high or higher as those states that do not. If murder was not a crime, would you have killed someone? Murderers occure as "crimes of passion", "during a rage" or by people who do not think like you and I. Do you think murderers are leaving Texas to go to New Hampshire to commit their crime? 2. Not reversible if a mistake is made 3. I respect all life (unborn and walking) 4. Thou shall not kill 5. Too expensive 6. Our legal system is far from perfect or fair (it can be bought) If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will accidentaly shoot their kids. And no, I do not support a ban on handguns. I do think for protection while you are home, you need the gun accessible, loaded, with no locks, so you can get to it quickly to protect yourself. I do not see how someone can do that and insure their kids do not get a hold of it.

The underlying premise of our legal system is innocent until proven guilty. Mexico operates on the Naploeonic code of guilty until proven innocent. Once you've seen what happens when the accused have no rights, you'll never argue innocent until proven guilty. I believe it is better that an occassional criminal is set free than on occassional innocent person is locked up. I do not believe many people are wrongly convicted, and that is because we have defense attorneys who take US law seriously. Mark Furhman framed a guilty man. Imagine of a Mark Fuhrman was investigating you and you were innocent. Unless criminals are allowed free when the police screw up, one bad cop can really wreck a lot of lives.

PaleHose, A note about the current cartoon. Bush is the first President who speaks Spanish. He held any conversations with President Fox in Spanish when the Mexican President visited the US. Si, habla espanol!

What I disagree with is the premise that if you are innocent, you do not need any of your rights. If you are innocent, why object to the police searching your home, if you are innocent why object to the police photographing you 24/7? If you are innocent why object to the police pulling you over and asking you why you are in a certain neighborhood?

Link Things to ammuse with currency, and regular paper. LMAO

If you are innocent you have no need for your miranda rights, no fear from any search and seizure, no need for habeas corpus, no need for an attorney . . .

He's got you confused with One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small, And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all. Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall. And if you go chasing rabbits And you know you're going to fall, Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar Has given you the call. Call Alice When she was just small. When the men on the chessboard Get up and tell you where to go And you've just had some kind of mushroom And your mind is moving low. Go ask Alice I think she'll know. When logic and proportion Have fallen softly dead, And the White Knight is talking backwards And the Red Queen's "off with her head!" Remember what the dormouse said: "Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head"