Texsox

Every silver lining has a touch of grey, and some people want to stay under that black cloud. Dump it all here.

They haven't even thrown the first drunk out at the Cell. Plenty of new faces around the team who are still trying to gel. Plenty of exciting baseball yet to be played. If you want to be negative, there is a trhead for that. If you want to point out the birth mark on Cindy Crawford, the posts will be moved to the appropriate thread. Let's have one place to go to feel better about this team.

QUOTE(shipps @ Apr 3, 2008 -> 08:59 AM) If Iam not mistaken,wouldnt people have laughed at a betamax reference even when it first came out? No, this was actually an interesting study in marketing. By almost all independent accounts, Beta offered the better picture quality, but did not have the recording time of VHS. One hour versus two hours. Since you could fit two hours of recording on the VHS, it fit movies better and really helped to kill the market. Beta was first in the market and offered a better picture, but failed. It was also Sony (Beta) vs. JVC/Matus***a (VHS) which also pointed to a victory for Beta. So when it first came out, it was the only option, and people loved it. They did not love the $1,000+ price tag for a home recorder, but they loved the tech. Even a year or so later when VHS came out, people didn't laugh at the Beta format. That really started several years later. Or at least that is what old guys like FlaSoxxJim and YASNY tell me.

Has the Pony Express stopped running? They all have issues, but seriously, they are all amazing. Send this half way across the globe in 24 hours please.

Good men thought they needed to do this to protect America. I find it sad that we believe we need to abandon our freedoms, our ideals, and basic decency to stay safe.

Anybody got any 8-tracks and betamax movies?

My gf teaches 3rd grade, I was looking over the tools and thinking; that's exactly what I bring for a weekend trip with her!

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Apr 2, 2008 -> 04:14 PM) I just donated blood to impress a girl today. I hope by donating blood you mean you played Rugby. Seriously, if that is the worse thing you do to impress a girl or get laid, you have more control than I. Tex "Went to see Barry Manilow" Sox

Bottom line *for me* and of course your mileage may vary. If you lined up all the friends, relatives, pastors, co-workers, donors, campaign volunteers, attorneys, clients, hanger ons, baby sitters, people who call themselves friends, meter readers, landscapers, hairdressers, and check out clerk at their favorite grocery store, every candidate is going to have some scumbags on the list. And each candidates supporters will explain, and truly believe, that their candidates scumbags are prettier then the other candidates scumbags. If you have time, and want to wail about the other guys scum bags, type away.

And I believe Fields will turn out to be a better player in the long run. I will kiss Fields ass evbefry chance I get to get you guys off my f***ing ass.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 09:58 PM) They play different games offensively. Is it fair to ask Juan Uribe to match Alex Sanchez's career average? Besides that, as Rock pointed out, it wouldn't be hard for Fields to hit .260. That would also come with more walks and more power too. Fields' upside is way, way higher than Crede's, and Crede's gone after this year. Why wouldn't you want a player who got better as the year went on and who is still getting better over a player who is coming off a back injury, has almost certainly peaked as a player, and is gone after this year anyways? One of these guys has to hit Crede's best years. I don't judge a guy on one season. Disagree all you want, but I'm not wasting any more time in this thread.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 08:57 PM) Once again proving you havent actually read my posts. Crede's numbers are fairly obvious. He had an outlier season and you think this is what he is capable of every year, its just not statistically the case. And approaching Joe's numbers? Crede career .258 .304 .445 Fields 1/2 season rookie year .244 .308 .480 You have a rookie who improved month over month and already puts up the same numbers as Joe Crede. Once again, his win shares approached that of Crede's best year. And IM still waiting for the names of teams that would trade their starting 3B for Crede. 2005 was a great year and all, but get off this guys jock. Would you all be clamoring for Pedro Feliz to stay on this team, because thats basically the type of player Crede is. Either Fields or Crede need to hit Crede's best years or else we are stepping backwards which is not acceptable. You can keep arguing with yourself, and can do a few things also with yourself.

Both of these guys fit different holes and depending on what the team needs are, would indicate which is a better fit. My guess, based on what Detroit and Cleveland trots out on the field each day, I'd guess that Fields will be our better option come summer.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 07:22 PM) When is he supposed to prove this to you? My only comment about Fields, is the same I would make for any player, *I* need to see more than one season. If you really need to know how a player gets a chance, there are many ways. But I assume you know this, so I wonder why you ask. Some players are called up because of an injury, play well, and stay on the roster. Others replace a retired player. Still others replace a traded player. Then some play well in spot starts, as pitch hitters, late inning defensive spots, etc. Some get to play because they signed big contracts and the GM doesn't want to look like a fool. Some get to play because the team is trying to trade them and other teams need to see them in action. And I'm certain there are many more. ANd if I can try and anticipate your mext question, there are different goals each season, and at different times during the season. After one game, giving Fields starts so he can prove himself, would not be a high priority. But maybe later this summer.

QUOTE(Wanne @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 07:10 PM) Tex...I can appreciate both sides of the debate and for the record I'm a Fields guys now. I've always loved Joe and am thankful for everything he's done...but don't you think Joe is the one in the position of having to "prove" himself now coming off major back surgery and a problem that's hindered him the past 3 years or so?!? As I said, they *both* have something to prove. BOTH. And it isn't, in my mind, which one is better. Crede has to prove he can play his best. At the minimum, that is the current standard. Unlike Rock, I believe it is equally fair to hold Fields to that same standard. If neither one of these guys can play to Crede's best, then we've taken a step backwards, and *I* think that is unacceptable. Others may believe it is acceptable. But it seems it's only ok if "their" guy is playing. I don't really care which guy is playing. I would also like to see Fields approach Crede's lifetime BA for one season. That would "prove" something to *me*. If you have a lesser or different standard, that's cool. Use what you feel comfortable with. If my standard bothers you, sorry.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 06:48 PM) There is no reason to close it. It was a few of trying to have a debate(thats what a message board is for) but some don't seem to understand it goes both ways. Why would you want to debate my standard for when I think a player has proven their abilities? I think it takes more than one season. You disagree. OK. You have your standard and I have mine. I've watched too many one season wonders.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 06:17 PM) Looks a few posts above to see if I think he has anything more to prove, So if I say he has something to prove it's wrong, but if you do, then it's right. GMAFB

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 06:17 PM) Nice Tex. I try to propose a serious question, and thats your response. Way to encourage debate. Debate? My statement is *I* think he still has something to prove. What's to debate? You've seen enough, I would never, based on one season, or probably even two, say a player has proven their actual abilities. You need less proof. That's great, but what is there to argue or debate? OK, y'all convinced me, nothing left to prove. In fact, Rock and Tony, you will win every debate and argument from here forward.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 06:06 PM) Exaggeration masking that you have no real argument, nice work. No argument to make. There is no definition of "proof". I think he had a very nice rookie campaign, but still has some playing to do before he has proven himself as a mlb player. Others believe they have seen all they need to to anoint him a mlb player. To think there is some definitive argument to be made is hilarious. So according to Rock, Fields has nothing left to prove. I will accept that you have seen enough for your judgment. It would be stupid of me to argue that you need more proof.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 06:01 PM) Once again, how is Fields supposed to do this exactly, with Crede still here? It's impossible. That's why no bench player has ever earned a starting spot without another player leaving. Fields HoF RIGHT NOW NOTHING TO PROVE

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 05:54 PM) Ah, Cherry picking, I like it. Crede's BEST season which was years ago vs a half season of a rookie. How about Crede's production over his career vs Fields? That would be a bit more accurate dont you think. Crede is more a injury prone version of Pedro Feliz. My original statement was both Fields and Crede have the same thing to prove, that they can play to Crede's best season. Anything less is a step back for the team and neither is a good replacement. But for Fields' fanboys he only has to prove mediocre

I'm trying to think of a show that I see first runs, hell even Stewert and Cobert I catch the next day

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 1, 2008 -> 04:23 PM) So the fact that Fields was nearly more productive in his 400 ABs doesn't count because it wasn't a full season? That's BS. nearly more productive almost as good defensively Are you claiming that Fields last season was as good as Crede's best season? I think Fields still has a little ways to go, and has that to prove. If you believe he has already proved it, then your threshold is lower than mine. I did not mean to dismiss what he did last season, I just think he still has something to prove.

True story, I just watched my first episode of Sopranos.

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