Texsox

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 08:38 AM) You can't win a division in April, but you can lose it! Every game we can put between us and anyone else is a game they have to try to make up later. Every game is important. Sometimes we forget the basics. Great post. Looking over a couple threads and trying to think of every team since the early 70s, this team is easily in the upper half, perhaps the upper quarter. I thought that even before the start. Now, in comparison, they have bigger hurdles to overcome in Cleveland and (despite their start) the Tigers than most other seasons. But if they do overcome those hurdles, the playoffs would look better.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 07:59 AM) As a former moderator, let me say this. These guys and gals running Soxtalk are the best. No one gets booted without a long, protracted, and sometimes contentious discussion. The standard approach is to try and figure out what can be done to keep the person in question around. If somebody gets banned from Soxtalk, I assure you that they have earned it. Yep, with Tex "Patron Saint of Wayward Posters" as the court appointed special advocate, often with Hussein as a client LOL, maybe I shouldn't share but what usually happens is after dozens of comments back and forth, the mod who thinks the person should *not* be banned PMs them and asks them to tone it down, common' be reasonable, put those guys on ignore, etc. Then the person bites the head off of their last advocate, leaving no one left who thinks they should be around, and then their IP gets lost for a long time. By then three mods are pissed at each other for leaving some idiot around months longer than we probably should have. Of course the trolls that SS wacks in under 5 minutes are the exception, that's just fun to watch. I think SS had one Cub troll on his ass in under 90 seconds

QUOTE (shawnhillegas @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 08:36 AM) Who was the White Sox opening day 3rd baseman in 2000? Craig Wilson Jerry Manual was Manager of the Year and Frank got robbed as the MVP to 'roid boy. Edit: Did a couple searches, and there is conflicting information. But, I would say it is not Wilson.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 08:39 AM) Good to hear. Now I'm off to get a good seat for the early bird dinner at Sizzler. Since you have been sitting at Denny's since 5:30 am with your trailer park name tag, and talking about how things are so much better "up north".

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 11:33 PM) And I'll stand by that statement to this day Unless you are playing games in the future and adding them to the stats, then we have two below average 3rd baseman, draw your line where ever you like.

BTW, I'll be even happier when we can compare Fields to Ventura or even Melton.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 08:13 AM) Are you guys trying to tell me something? Yes we are, that good posters will not be treated like meat by ill mannered, inconsiderate, illogical, rude posters. When good posters, like yourself and others, are driven away by others, we'll look at what those bring to the party, and perhaps show them to the door. So we'll be protecting our senior citizens before they go all AARP on our ass.

I did not want to clutter up the Crede thread, so moved my response here, where it fits in better. QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 07:15 AM) This isn't WSI, the mods here don't get off on suspensions and bans and I get the feeling it's not something they like to do. Honestly, there are a few people whose posts have been to the point that more than a few mods would love to push the button and say bye bye. And yes, at this point, after being down some long roads with those posters, it will be something we'd like to do. But it takes an awful lot to have enough mods to agree someone should be suspended. But we'd be much, much, happier if the manners and dialog would improve to the point it would be unnecessary.

I know most of the posters here are either in college or college educated. Structuring a decent argument should be a simple thing. But I guess we get lazy on a message board and resort to the easiest argument. Put your baseball caps on for a minute. The debate should not be which 3rd basemen is better. The debate is will the person playing this, or any position, play to the caliber that will get this team to another World Series. For most of my almost 40 years as an avid Sox fan, we always had guys out there who where not of a playoff caliber team. Just last season, IMHO, we did not have a CF on the roster who was playoff caliber, a glaring weakness. Other years we were missing a pitcher or two. This year, we have an overabundance of players at 3rd who could get us to the playoffs. To read some of these posts that try and paint Fields or Crede as some stiff, is just silly. If we did not have Fields in the system, we'd be happy with Crede's start and smile he's healthy. If we did not have Crede in the system, we'd be happy we developed such a fine young player with so much potential. We're looking like idiots that we can't be happy we have TWO guys right now that could play on a playoff team at 3rd. We have watched Crede play in a World Series and other pressure situations. I think most Sox fans were pretty happy with those performances. It is too early for me to announce he's healthy and can play to those levels again, but it seems likely. After 100 games, Fields has proven a lot, and I am eager to watch his development over the next few seasons. I can't think of a player who was ruined by too slow a development, but perhaps there was one. I see it as a can't lose situation. Obviously one of the guys will be gone next season, either way, I'll be happy we didn't dig a hole for once, but took from an overabundance.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) not really. You give Fields another 100 AB's last year, and he'd probably get his HR total up to 30 with an RBI total around 80. So, that would mean he would have matched Crede's career high in HR's and be 10 shy of Crede's career high in RBIs... in about 80 less AB's. Plus, last year Fields 35 walks were more then Crede's career high in a season. I think Fields would at least match Crede's production with less average (and K's) but with more power and possibly OBP. The wildcard here is the defense. I think Fields is going to be a really solid player in this league, but at this point, I'd have a hard time arguing that Fields is the better player. The other wildcard you have to factor in is experience. Ninth inning of a playoff or World Series game, at this point in their careers, I'd rather have Crede out there. Again, not to discredit Fields, he's a young player with what looks to be a great future, but I just can't call him the better player. I've also seen too many one season wonders to announce his arrival. I hope he gets plenty of chances this season to continue to mature because I'm guessing he's the guy starting in 2009, perhaps sooner.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 06:06 PM) I still think Fields is That's confusing. Are you really saying if their careers ended today, Fields would be considered the better player? Wow.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 05:56 PM) One good week isn't going to give him that much more trade value. Step one, prove he is healthy. One week doesn't count much for stats, but he looks pretty healthy, and that will help his value.

QUOTE (Sonik22 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 05:44 PM) My 8 gb Itouch was stolen from my backpack today at school, along with my bose in-ear headphones attached. So I lost $400 dollars today. I hate people. That sucks, big time. There is a Rant thread in the buster if you would like to cut loose.

I was in the "we have two very good players at 3rd" camp. We have an over abundance of talent at 3rd. Sadly, instead of celebrating that, it divides Soxdom Even more sad, I'm thinking all this does is make it easier to trade him and get good value.

Great to watch a healthy Crede at the plate.

QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 04:37 PM) The capitol of Montana or the singer Hannah Montana? I was on a roll, and not a 13 year old female

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 02:40 PM) Hockey in HD is just incredible. I can't wait for my stimulus check to go get an HDTV! It is the #1 reason to buy HD. HD was made for hockey, it may just be the single biggest boom to hockey in this country. Plus, the Hawks will actually be on TV. Not we don't have to hate them just in person . . .

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 01:15 PM) I agree as long as spellin dont cont Jas' first post in Buster Welcome

Well, that means officially, there is no rhyme or reason to his lineups

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 11:54 AM) I clicked on the link and got a video of a polar bear swimming. Which is what the world with have with the Palistinians killing all the turtles

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 11:05 AM) I'm going to drop in on Tex unannounced because I know he's got a case of Sam Adams to share. Just what we need around here, another old person Actually, in your honor, I'll pull something from the South Padre Brewing Company

I'm going to buy a case of Sam and let them know why. If we want corporations to act in this manner, they need to know that consumers notice, care, and will buy more of their products.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 09:24 AM) Oh yes. I believe every bat-s*** crazy that thinks GWB is the devil would be out in force, the Anarchists, Free Gitmo people, Free Tibet, Free Hat, you name it. As for Tibet, I must admit I don't know as much about the situation as I would like. But while we are at it, how about Free Tiawan! Are you suggesting that you have to be bat-s*** crazy to protest against G-Dubya? Gitmo, is something that I think intelligent people, could, and should protest. And I believe it is Free Tiawan! With purchase!

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 08:05 AM) I think the sarcasm one will nail alot of people, me included, as that form of humor comes all too easily in these type of discussions. However, I will do my best to comply. We can always just PM each other when that old posting of the green feeling comer over . . . Hell, my posts feature more green then a St. Patrick's Day party on the Southside.

If you can't enjoy the home opener, 1st place, 4 game win street, then you're hopeless.