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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 11:51 AM) I think that, outside of a couple of messed up art students, everyone agrees on that. I'm really trying to understand what is artistic about this. NOT IN DEFENSE OF THIS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM! I think non artists have a very narrow definition of art. We probably need a term that describes stuff like this. Perhaps "visual editorials" "Live Editorial Cartoons". I don't know. I do worry about the effects on her body. It is interesting how this does spark some dialogs and in a unique way. And if you are thinking of quoting and and debating that I said this is art, please reread the first line.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 10:10 AM) There are probably a few dozen issues out there though that haven't been covered more than in a cursory way. I can come up with about 5 right off the top of my head that either deal with recent events or could at least provoke thoughtful responses. 1. Global warming (thanks to the coal industry's sponsorship of about 1/2 of the debates this term, I think that there's been basically 1 question asked of any candidate by a professional reporter, and 1 other asked by a snowman. In probably 30 some debates between the 2 sides) 2. China. How do you respond to the crackdown on Tibetan monks, and how can the U.S. put pressure on China to improve its human rights while at the same time needing China to support its currency and support its negotiating position on North Korea? 3. Torture. Not the "Are you in favor of it" question, but "I=What can be done with the American government to prevent another administration from authorizing the use of torture as a national policy in the future"? 4. Hamas. Mr. Obama recently said that while he was willing to negotiate with other leaders, he was unwilling to do the same with Hamas. If that is the case, how do you expect the middle east peace process to be moved forwards? 5. What are your reactions to the current mess in the aviation industry, and what steps will your administration take to prevent them in the future? Conversely, how will these steps be paid for and who will foot the bill? Yes, a lot of questions have been covered in a lot of detail, like Iraq, etc. But if we're going to have this many debates, let's actually hit some creative policy minutia questions. It's not like in a 3 trillion dollar government running 2 poorly executed wars there's not more than a few of them. I guess that is what I was thinking of when I said let's hget off these topics and on to others. I understand ABC did not pull this off, but I even appreciate the "silly fluff" pieces.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:48 PM) I agree that more people need to take better and proper care of their flags. I have brought bad flag etiquette to the attention of several people around my previous residence. Most people looked puzzled. There are not many people with flags at my current place, but the few that are there seem to be in good shape and displayed correctly. So which disgusts you more. a flag display designed to provoke emotions of national pride, outrage, get people talking about the flag or a display designed to get you to pull in and buy gas there? BTW, I fly a huge flag, so I'm a better American then anyone with a smaller flag And I'm going to add flag smilies to every post to prove what a great American I am.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 02:02 PM) Actually, he would be agreeing with me. You have yet to list your reasons. He just said it is *not* about not caring and liking them. Both of which you said.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:43 PM) Well, let's hear your reasons. Economic Fear they will lose land with any eventual statehood like they lost when Israel was created.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:50 PM) no. and i already told you i'm not getting into this with you. it's completely pointless. So you don't want to get into agreeing with me?

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:41 PM) eh, not really a good analogy IMO. i would say the circumstances are vastly different. and i'm not arguing this, as I do not feel it is relevant to the thread. So you agree the reason is the Arabs don't care about the Palistinians and do not like them?

And the sightings begin.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:28 PM) And... the attempted thread hijack begins. Just placing the earlier comments in context. Alpha believes the reason they are not invited by other Arab countries is no one cares about them and they are not liked. I believe there are other reasons that are probably higher on the list. Using a familiar analogy usually makes that point easier and better.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 01:40 PM) convert it to Quicktime. Found a program to convert to mpg which worked, except I could not find the opening to Family Guy in a format I could grab. Only as part of a longer piece on familyguy.com

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 11:53 AM) If the other arab countries in the area cared one bit for the Pali's, there would be no refugees. Israel isn't the only one that has a wall to keep them out. Egypt doesn't want them, Jordan doesn't want them, and so on. I would go that far. Is that also why we are putting up a wall against Mexicans? We just don't care about them?

QUOTE (NUKE @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 09:54 AM) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...id=opinionsbox1 Even the Washington Post, that bastion of conservative thought thinks Carter is wrong. Just how are we supposed to get anything sone in the middle east when we have this guy running around lending legitimacy to a known terrorist leader? Seems Mr Carter is getting a little senile in his old age and now he's every bit as bad of an EX-president as he was an actual one. Is this like tossing a flag on the floor?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 09:42 AM) Tex, you are not burning the flags as an expression of your free speech, or in an attempt to win an NEA grant. Totally different concept there, so lets move on. Why is there a need for such an experiment? Don't you already know what the reactions will be? So all you do when you do that is push buttons hoping for a reaction. WOuld you and others be so ho-hum about it were the flags Iranian or Palastinian? I guess we won't know, since the moment those flags were to hit the floor, the PC police would be all over them. Oh, and the usual beheading statements would come out, and CAIR would issue press releases, and the principal would say the school is sorry, and arrange for CAIR to give a speech at the school. What we could use is a line from the Filibuster standards in real life. 4. I will not post statements for the purpose of angering others. Apply that to 'experiments', or 'art'. This so-called experiment was pointless, and only served to piss off a bunch of people to varying degrees. While you and Jim might think some people get worked up over the flag for disingenuous reasons, for others, like the vet in the video, that flag means alot, and doing what was done is just like a personal insult to him. Political and social discourse is already at an all-time low, why push this button? The fear of loss is a great motivator. Seeing the flag, belly exposed, and vulnerable is a great metaphor for your rights that are also being made vulnerable. BTW, look around at all the worn and tattered flags being displayed. Look at the flags being displayed at night without a light. Out of order, etc. Cotton flags in the rain. Giant flags that are really being used as advertisements for gas stations and auto dealers. If you really want to express outrage, there are plenty of opportunties to do that. And no, I am not burning the flag as an expression of my free speech. We are retiring those tattered flags I see everywhere. Funny, some folks were too cheap to take down their old flag and buy a new one.

Doesn't seem to apply to Powerpoint 2007

Anybodt have one they can just send him?

Economic impact of new stadiums Attendance at sporting events v. world events (increase decrease etc.) Sports as a classroom (mathematics and stats, history, science of a curveball, sports jounalism and literacy, economics, supply and demand, war strategy, social studies referencing Jackie Robinson and the latin explosion in baseball, architecture, )

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 09:11 AM) It's not a matter that they talked about the "insignificant" issues. It's how much time they gave to them and how they handled the MAJOR issues. This was not a debate for America. most Americans have already voted! This should have been a debate about issues that matter to Penn. It wasnt. The bitter thing needed to be addressed, but a lapel flag pin? William Ayers? Bosnia? Those are old or "loose connections" stories being pushed by the far right and George Stepenopolus fell right into Hannity's hands. This was a debate for the people of Penn. They BEARLY talked about the economy. They never addressed NAFTA, free trade, the mortgage crisis. Due to time, they rushed through Iraq, the economy and taxes. Heck, at the very end they said "ok, 1 minute response.... the price of gas...". So Rev Wright gets 5-10 minutes, but gas gets 1 minute? This was a shame of a debate. As I mentioned, *they* may have done it poorly, but certainly they have already talked about the mortgage crisis, I can't believe NAFTA is still an issue; Iraq, economy, etc, again covered many times over. I guess then in your opinion, debaters should keep hammering away at the economy, Iraq, etc. and BARELY touch on anything else? Ican understand that, but one debate for an hour or so, out of the tens of thousands of hours they will speak, seem trivial enough to allow for minor subjects and characters. In fact, if anything, I think there has been aterrible job done of expanding beyond the top four or five positions. We certainly have the time and resources.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 16, 2008 -> 10:51 AM) As I understand it, the uniform is up to the starting pitcher that day. Or so I thought. No confirmation that it is still tradition for the SP to pick the jersey?

Worse? Seems like am awkward adjective to use, I would say it is stranger to root for both the Bears and Packers, you might as well toss in a couple other teams and root for the entire division. Now when I was living in Chicago I did root for more than one football team, and now that I think about it, they were also in the division. I cheered for the Bears and whomever was playing the Packers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 07:12 AM) This from the guy who uses his convenient fued with Sox front office to fill his columns up on a daily basis. Hypocrasy knows no end with Kotex-boy. Face it, you haven't been a good columnist that I have ever seen, and you deserve to be fired. Yet he is the most quoted columnist regarding the Sox. Dusty, here is the booing scorecard: Bigots, racists, etc. about 2% of the crowd, bood because they knew a black guy couldn't be a manger. Sorry, I, along with a lot of other people, wish we could wave a wand and have that disappear. BTW the people who controlled you paycheck and got you hired and fired are not in this group, maybe the next group, or at least you hope they are in the next group. Knowledgeable Cub and baseball fans with understanding of the game, who can rationally analyze your moves and concluded you mismanaged a WS caliber team, 0%, there are none, I said Cub fans. Cub fans, without an attention span beyond you and Bartman, were 98% of the boos.

Pledge Alliegance? Sox Bears? A little, I switch to the Cowboys when I moved Hawks? Still a bit, but love the Stars Bulls? I got the Spurs It's just too much effort to really stay in tune. College? I skip around, but all things being equal I cheer for UT Longhorns, Notre Dame, Rice, Aggies,

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Apr 17, 2008 -> 04:50 AM) It was pretty interesting that 95-98 percent of students avoided stepping on the flags. Which, interesting enough was about the same number I got when back in college a new mascot was painted on the lobby floor. We counted during the first week how many people avoided stepping on it, and it was about 99%

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 16, 2008 -> 08:51 PM) I no where implied that they didn't. And the idiot who planned this deserves to be scorned by her fellow students, most of whom honored the flag and at least walked around. However, I want to know how this can be considered 'art'. And how come it took all day for the fire marshall to have it removed. Would you feel better if he didn't call it art, but an experiment? Jim's comments ring true to me. I'm planning a flag burning for the 4th of July during the fireworks display. I guess I could call it art, but didn't really think of that, perhaps it would attract a few more people if I did. The event should attract close to 400 people. I currently have about two dozen kids and several adults, from 11-65, planning on burning flags. I have had no shortage of people willling to dionate flags to be burned. At first we had to ask people but after word got around we were receiving calls and people just dropping them off. I have notified the Fire Marshall and it appears we will be well within our rights and will not endanger anyone. We also have at least two tv stations agreeing to cover the event. The coverage will probably not be that wide and you would not have even known about it if I did not tell you. A youtube vid seems like a great idea.

I did not see it, and do not want to seek to defend or attack it, but I have one thought as I read the accounts. Does every debate have to be over the same stuff? Perhaps these guys did it poorly, but going away from the stuff that they are repeating for the 3,000 time, may be a great way to offer something new. Again, it seems by all accounts that they did it poorly but it would seem we have all the sound bites we need on Iraq etc.

Cool! Thank you, that is really interesting. I would like to see an overall, this was the final 6 weeks. As we all know, the campaign runs for over a year, countring the primaries. Just counting the general, we have a lengthy run.