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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) Maybe in April 2012 and May 2012 during his White Sox career. Other than that, no way. Yes, those are ideal. Due to those numbers and his career numbers, he is the ideal #3 hitter for the White Sox. It's possible he may struggle again, while also being possible that he hits .220 or .230, in which case he's extremely valuable. But you don't like Dunn so you won't see past that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 08:47 AM) Including his home/road splits? Because most people seem shocked at how bad those are. I forget where I read the article, but it basically was stating that playing half of his games at the best hitters park in the NL will naturally skew his statistics towards a large home/away split, then you consider that he also plays atleast 27 games at LA, SF, and SD, then he plays any number of other games at pitchers parks and less favorable conditions than Colorado throughout the year, and then you consider that players hit better at home than they do on the road in general, and that .300+ difference between OPS is not as big a deal as people have made it out to be. The question lies wondering whether he is a .900 OPS player outside of Coors or closer to a .800-.850 OPS player. Depending upon the price, I think it's be worth it.

QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 09:14 AM) I agree with you 100%! Since the Sox got Dunn, I've said that he should be batting 4th, 5th or 6th. Traditional baseball wisdom says that your best hitter bats 3rd. Period. No, traditional baseball wisdom says your best hitter hits 4th. I've been over this before, Dunn is perfect for the 3 spot.

QUOTE (Joxer_Daly @ Jan 9, 2013 -> 06:02 AM) Welcome to Soxtalk, by the way. They're a decent shower o' feckwits around here. my thoughts exactly

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2013 -> 01:22 PM) True, but that's an .830-ish OPS (heavy on the slugging) that the Sox need to replace to have a similar production level. So if Flowers puts up an OPS around .700 and Keppinger is around .730, the Sox are at about the same starting point as last year, except with a more balanced lineup and an OBP upgrade. If Flowers comes in ~ .750 or better, which he's fully capable of doing, then the White Sox have upgraded those 2 positions compared to last year, on the whole. I think he's going to do that with his eyes closed. This is a young player who put up a .708 OPS over 153 PAs while playing very, very sporadically in his true rookie season. Honestly, I'm going to be disappointed with anything less than a .750 OPS.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 7, 2013 -> 11:04 AM) The problem is the Sox expensive players have little-to-no trade value. I don't think fans would stop coming to the ballpark if they were somehow able to rid themselves of Dunn and Danks. It would depend upon who replaced them and the quality of the player. For the most part, Sox fans care primarily about winning and nothing else.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 7, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) That is what people don't understand. If the Sox tanked the next 3 or 4 years, sure their draft picks would be higher, but if they developed players, a big if, attendance would be down, advertising would be down, they wouldn't be able to retain the guys who are successful and the cycle continues again. They don't have the gimmick of a new park and an old one shutting down to spur attendance. I know some people here say they would surely go to more games if the Sox went into a total rebuild. Of course they are the same people that write off young players after a bad week. It's even more impossible for the Sox to do it too. Because of the pull the Cubs already have in town, going into a total and complete rebuild cycle would leave any younger generation fans leaning toward the Cubs (which they already do anyways) and leaves the Sox without many future fans. Young kids in Kansas City or Minneapolis or Phoenix don't have much choice but to cheer for the home town crowd, but those in Chicago do.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 7, 2013 -> 09:08 AM) Sore subject Zing!

QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 7, 2013 -> 08:57 AM) The "middle ground" is a 3-4 place finish...the goal should be making the playoffs>>>WS. Winning 85 games and being in the race until the end has its value too. It's obviously not preferred, but it's a hell of a lot better than a 67 win team.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 05:21 PM) Is that Tammy Swanson Swanson, Tammy Swanson, or Tamara Swanson? Who cares, they're all b****es

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 05:06 PM) chip kelly to the browns I saw that they were prepared to throw everything at him. Wondering how much. I thought he'd actually fit better in Philly.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) Ron Swanson? I figured your alias would be Lagavulin_16 or "Turf and Turf." Or "HateTammy." Of course, he'd get it changed to "LoveTammy" once a year.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:29 PM) We'd be dead last in attendance. Not to mention trying to build back up to where we even are has been shown to be really tough. This is a business, the sooner you realize that the more MLB makes sense. This is the same for most things in the world. If this were a restaurant, you could buy all the nicest things in the world, and everybody would love your restaurant. Of course, you'd still be broke as a joke in about 6 months.

QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:23 PM) Nobody's coming now! 1.97 million disagree with you. You completely tear down and the team is looking at

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:18 PM) I thought I read where the 2013 draft is supposed t be one of the weakest of all time. Giving up a pick might not factor. There have been weak classes that have been awesome and vice versa. Giving up a pick is always a factor, especially with such a weak minor league system. QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) If that's true, (and I tend to agree with you that it is!), then it's time to unload/rebuild. Try to find "takers" for Paulie, Adam, Jake, Rios, Beckham, Floyd, Thornton, etc., and build around Sale, Quintana, Viciedo, Ramirez, DeAza, and the rest of the young pitchers. I feel like we've been over this before. If you completely tear down, you are alienating the younger generation and empowering them to become Cubs fans. If the Sox were in Milwaukee or Cincinnati, they could afford to do this. They simply can't afford such a move in Chicago.

QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:11 PM) True...but, what if they'd have "replaced" DeAza with Josh Hamilton? Would that have made the Sox contenders? Maybe, but you're still looking at an additional $25 mill added to the payroll. And if it fails, which is a definite possibility, you are stuck with an unaffordable contract and no money to make any sort of re-signing or free agent signing.

QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) If they're better, they're better. IMO AJ Pierzynski is better than Tyler Flowers and Michael Bourne is better than Alejandro DeAza. Those are the two guys for whom I advocated. QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 04:09 PM) That's over $20m more for next year. And it most likely won't be the difference between playoffs or not. And on top of that, you are looking at like 3, maybe 4 extra wins at the very most, and it's certainly possible that it ends up as a wash. When you are spending $20+ million on players, you better make damn sure it's an upgrade as opposed to making an arguable upgrade. On top of that, signing Bourn also costs the Sox their draft pick and allowance.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 03:40 PM) Under a shamrock! I get it now! Shamrock McElroy, Tebow(ing) wife wearing a Sanchez jersey! Translation: Worst tattoos EVER! He probably has a giant foot tattooed on the other shoulder

QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 03:51 PM) Every player that I've recommended signing is arguably better than the player they'd be replacing. You could do that pretty much up and down the remaining free agents. It doesn't mean it makes sense..

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 03:23 PM) Yea it does make sense. Maybe next year you will get some "Rex is my Quarterback" I'm actually just going to be pissed off when he doesn't show any emotion on the sideline

Plus the draft allowance as well. Kyle Lohse is going to have difficulty finding a job.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) Lovie wanter You just don't get the Bills. They ALWAYS get Bears retreads. First they had Jauron, then they had Wannestedt on as an assistant last year and DC this year. Lovie makes perfect chronological sense.

The only one I don't like I guess is over. I think this could be a 17-14 kind of game. Not sure how much either team is going to move the ball. Good luck!

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) I dont know what else to say. I havent even been defending Cutler, said nothing about his line excuses, said he has played s***ty against the pack, acknowledged the George comparison. CUTLER HAS NOT BEEN UP TO SNUFF. Cutler lover

QUOTE (Lamar Johnson 23 @ Jan 4, 2013 -> 02:57 PM) At least someone seems to get my point. I don't advocate spending for the sake of spending, but, if your team has holes, and there are available players out there that can fill those holes, IMO ownership has to take a hard look at these "hole fillers" and do what it has to do to get them. I don't worry about "prospects", most never work out anyway. I don't care about 5-10 years down the road; I'm more interested in the 2013-2016. There really has not been a lot worth spending on during this free agency season. When there is and it makes sense, they have done so.