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Just wait when Herrera and Colome come back with projected roles as 7th/8th inning high leverage guy and as closer respectively in 2020...when we’re supposed to actually be a competitive team. They’ll give Lisle a statue before they eat $9.5 million in the first half of the season...you can double that with Colome, who was incredibly shaky down the stretch.

Wil Myers has 5 seasons worth of at-bats and 9.5 career fWAR. An average of 1.9, and obviously teams (were he a free agent today), he would get about the same as Avi Garcia...maybe a tad less, although he at least can man CF. Right now he’s getting paid like that 3.5 fWAR hitter (see Avi’s one breakout season), so if you had to choose Avi, Myers and Puig at roughly the same salary (the Padres would have to kick 50% back), or Castellanos and Ozuna at significantly more in years and dollars, it’s not such an open and shut case. Ozuna has had the best peak years, but can’t play anything more than below average LF and has also been inconsistent throughout his career. Ozuna could easily get $70-80 million for four years (due to his age) and Castellanos $50-65 million. For Myers’ bWAR, four of his first six years in the big leagues were 2.0, 3.2, 2.1 and 2.4. And, in the end, none of those five are sure things to be 2+ hitters for the White Sox.

And all those raw tools do what for Anderson? Even Tatis, for having the tools to be the best SS in baseball, ended up slightly negative in some metrics because of all the ill-advised throw to first and trying to force DP’s at second instead of taking easy outs. Granted, he was a 20 year old jumping from AA to the bigs, but Semien’s numbers in that pitcher’s park are no joke on either side of the ball.

You could even say that we did the same with Eduardo Escobar...decided he couldn’t hit enough for an everyday position before he had a real opportunity to establish himself.

Who besides Hahn thought trading for Machado is his walk year was an outstanding idea?

Just like Rowand, his style of play isn’t conducive to a long and productive career. We sold as high as possible on him, one of the things Hahn did correctly.

We still don’t have a legit superstar in our lineup under team control past 2022/23. Jimenez doesn’t have the all around tools to make that kind of an impact on the field, his upside is JDM minus the OBP points...Anderson is limited (for now) by defensive lapses, so Robert is the best hope, simply because the odds of keeping Moncada in the fold long-term don’t look that great. Baseball is, after all, a game of both entertainment and superstars...and we could still use that stabilizing veteran presence in the lineup.

Balta, myself...many others argued endlessly that he wasn’t simply “doomed” to be a 30-40 error infielder for the rest of his career and that moving him all over the infield wasn’t doing him any favors. It’s ironic that the one position they played him at the least (SS, compared to 3B and 2B) turned out to be his best. Now some will argue Alexei Ramirez, but you owe it to your infield prospects to force themselves off SS first before accepting them as utility guys, ala Yolmer, Saladino and Leury.

Engel I’m assuming you are joking about, Rowland and Crede (you can add Jenks to the injuries list) were dogged by their physical limitations crashing into reality, but it’s still pretty rare for position players. Dunn was already 30 or 31 when he crashed. Myers is 28.

The same way any team does, discount him 50-75 cents on the dollar...but probably play him everyday the first half of 2020, and look at the back of his baseball card. They forced him into CF where he wasn’t comfortable defensively (Myers and Renfroe on both sides increased the pressure), gave him erratic playing time because Green was expected to get the team to play around .500, batted him all over the lineup. Usually players just don’t fall apart in the middle of their prime.

Avi leading the Rays to a playoff win...

LaRussa, Leyland and Francona...

Sure, as long as it’s not JR, KW or Hahn. Renteria and/or Cooper will be next on the chopping block if they disappoint in 2020 (see Ventura post 2016). And the concept of both Abreu and Renteria having earned lifetime contracts is baffling, at best. Lisle being pushed out so quickly is yet another sign the analytics side isn’t making much real progress...especially in light of the rants by Renteria and Cooper as the season wound down (Stone as well.)

Hell, at this point, I’d roll the dice with Jirschele...because the Renteria/Vizquel style doesn’t work for any team but the 2014-15 Royals. Certainly not MLB Version 2019. We don’t have more than a couple of capable bunters or situational hitters (Madrigal is pretty much it), and two of the best stolen base threats in Moncada and Robert are largely in a “no fly zone” due to fear of potential injury.

Outside of the obvious four youngsters, where is the talent on the big league roster? McCann and Leury were the 5th/6th best hitters. The Astros have more talent just at their infield/DH positions than our entire positional player roster. Fwiw, I guess they want a new coach to work with Madrigal and Robert, but what the heck was it that Steverson was supposedly inculcating on a system wide basis?

We’re great at finding scapegoats, not so great at identifying talent. Now we have to be stubborn and prove that Renteria can win at the big league level, or that Cooper hasn’t lost it. Who suffers? The fans, of course.

They traded away Reyes because they already had Renfroe, Myers, Margot, Naylor, Jankowski, Cordero, etc. Now they have Trammell as well. If Urias and Mejia are for real, they’ll be fine with all that pitching...when it starts to turn the corner. And Gore is going to be a monster, as long as he stays healthy.

I thought everyone was ecstatic about the progress from Anderson, Moncada, Jimenez, McCann, etc.??? I guess they still need someone to fix Collins, because it’s hard to imagine doing much better with the Palka’s, Cordell’s, Tilson’s, Engel’s and Yolmer Sanchez’s of MLB. Not to mention Jay, Alonso and Castillo. I guess they’re going to somehow transform all those guys into high OBP, high walk profiles...will believe they can change those guys when I see it. And they better not remake Moncada into the timid/passive 2018 version again.

Myers isn’t a huge deal, they will trade him for 50 cents on the dollar by the trade deadline next year if he doesn’t rebound. Hosmer and Machado are the keys. That said, they have so much more pitching depth than the White Sox, especially at the minor league level and this year’s rookie class. As the playoffs demonstrate each year, it’s 75% about pitching and defense in the postseason. If you stacked up Tatis, Machado, Hosmer, Mejia, Renfroe, pre-2019 Myers, Urias, Naylor and Taylor Trammell (http://thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?ID=203939 had a ROUGH start to his career with SD after trade)...you’d find a lot of things to like, if the pitching lives up to its billing. A lot will obviously come down to whether Trammell becomes Mike Cameron or Kenny Williams in CF. Margot finally proved he was better suited as a fourth OF this year. CJ Abrams also had a very impressive debut, but of course will ultimately need to prove himself in full season ball.(http://thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?ID=222138)

Signing LUIS Robert was the main change, and that’s a KW Special. All these “refined” college bats like Collins, Burger, Alex Call, Fisher, Gonzalez, Sheets, Walker and Madrigal...and the last player is the only one likely to make an impact on the next White Sox playoff team.

I’m sure the Jose Abreu contract for three years that nobody wants signed will eclipse $16 million, likely a similar number for just one season. That’s still roughly half our “new” wasted spending this year on Alonso, Jay, Herrera, Santana and Nova. We wasted $18 million on Herrera alone, which is probably worse than Olivera because he will block Hahn from spending on the pen while they wait on a “bounce back” year out of him.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2826984-why-the-2019-dodgers-are-paying-over-40-million-to-players-not-on-the-roster The Dodgers are paying Olivera $4.67 million this season.

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-diego-padres/

Ian Kinsler?

Paddack and Tatis, Jr., established themselves, similar to Giolito and Moncada. The Padres still have a ton of minor league capital to utilize in making trades to go for another frontline pitcher to pair with Paddack, Gore (everyone in baseball would gladly take him as their top pitching prospect) and Richards. The White Sox have money, sure, but a limited number of really difference-making players to spend it on outside the Top 10-15 due to the plethora of extensions signed in the last calendar year. The big difference is the Dodgers vs. presence of small/mid-market teams.