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Paging Tyler Danish.... Oops, gone. Do we still have Purke to throw out there?

57 pitches for 7 outs. Jesus.

Muscle memory. How many times did Beckham try to change his mechanics/hands over the last 5-6 years? It got to be just as much a mental as physical issue there at the end. If I'm the Reds, even though Bruce doesn't have a position, I'm holding out for more than Avi Garcia....and they'll get it from someone.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 06:47 PM) Good news is the farm system sucks, so anyone they deal that's still in the minors isn't a huge blow Chris Carter still makes some degree of sense, more than Braun. But lots of teams could use an all or nothing hitter who won't cost much salary wise and won't require the surrendering of top prospects, either. Still not the LH solution, though.

We didn't. But everyone keeps trying to add these overpriced veterans that will wipe out the rest of the farm system. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/183970840 White Sox now having their name attached to Wil Myers. Some interesting names but probably no season changers.

Michael Aviles=Sox Killer Guess we'll have to pick up Lincecum after the Angels release him...or Fausto Carmona. That's why this idea of throwing good money after bad in terms of more contracts like Shields and Braun is going to work out so well.

Garcia made another mistake, right? I saw double on Gameday/At-Bat and knew something had to have gone wrong with him. Why, once again, is Coats still on the roster?

So if I coached Little League longer than Ventura, my opinions are just as valid, lol?

They still haven't changed MENISCUS so my hopes aren't extremely high. There were actually two mistakes, it was injury or surgery or something in the same post.

Because we keep refusing to call it "radical Islam," meaning many Democrats. As opposed to all those "radical Christians" who do stupid things in the name of religion all around the world, and have ever since the time of the Crusades/Inquisition. But we don't want to call ourselves radicals...just others/outsiders/foreigners/people with different beliefs than ours.

They don't give up on guys like Beckham, Viciedo and Jared Mitchell until at least 2 years too late...you can forget about Shields going anywhere. There has to be a mechanical or tipping pitches issue in there somewhere. They'll figure it out eventually.

Do we really want to add another notorious PED's guy? Are Brewers or Braun fans going to come out and support him at USCF? JR is going to be gun shy to add any commitment beyond 2017 after what has taken place with Shields the last 3 starts.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2016/6/14...jols-brad-lidge Did Bartolo Colon break James Shields? Btw, Shields once finished Top 3 in the Cy Young voting, so that's one of the reasons for his label. Of course, so did Dallas Keuchel, and he's definitely no ace so far this season, and barely throwing 88-90 when I've seen him.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/oba...oric/index.html Obama finally declares war on Trump and his beliefs, essentially...

Leading to the obvious point....why don't they just send Coats back down and put someone like Leury or Bourgeois in that much more comfortable bench/PR/PH role. Unless they really aren't that concerned about how they treat Coats compared to try to extract whatever value they can get out of Avi Garcia...I don't see how "showcasing" Avi is likely to lead to a conclusion that he's made any type of progress or improvement on the defensive side. It would be better just to hide him at DH and hope some team comes along that is desperate enough to give him a full-time job on a rebuilding team and is also willing to give up something intriguing (or part with a veteran on a contract the Sox can absorb).

He's more like that Edward Jones or The Money Store advisor your family has used for decades, you go to BBQ's and share a couple of cold ones at Applebee's with him and his family and would feel terrible about "firing him" and going with a better broker because he's a good guy. Certainly, you don't want to hurt his feelings because you have the sense he's doing the best that he can, even though there are lots of better options to choose from. At least you're comfortable with him and know he's not out to cheat you or take advantage somehow.

Or some would argue he had something to prove against his former team/mates...added incentive. We've seen it time and time again from former White Sox players when facing us, whether it's Eduardo Escobar or whoever.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/anderso...-for-white-sox/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-s...teen/index.html Greg, how would your feelings have changed if Walt Disney World had been attacked instead of Pulse?

Yeah, otoh, it's fair to say he's been paid like a #2 over the last 5 years or so, whereas the performance since maybe the middle of 2014 has been closer to a 3. It's all because he pitched in so many playoff games for the Rays there earlier in his career, and the fact that he has been the undisputed "team leader" wherever he has gone (at least until SD). Plus, the whole nickname things. At least Pedro Martinez gave that free/unsolicited advice. He wouldn't have if Shields was still still pitching 3-4 times per season against the Red Sox (w/ Tampa Bay).

What about DeAngelo Russell + another piece for Butler?

Injuries are not an excuse for this team. If you want to point to non-performance, it's clearly Abreu (until the last couple of weeks), Rodon and more recently Frazier. This team was put on the field with a razor-thin margin of error, because of Avi (plus the LaRoche "situation"), the back end of the rotation (they actually got about what was expected from Latos, to be honest) and the financial issues (or lack of willingness to give up a draft pick) that led to a number of "value" signings, some which have worked out "okay" like Austin Jackson but none have solved or addressed long-term issues with this team. Basically, those "long term" issues have just been punted down the road into the future, not unlike our national debt. We're doing the same exact thing now taking on the Shields contract (when it wasn't even completely necessary) and also pushing up Anderson to the majors quite quickly. Then, because we're in "desperation mode" now to stay in the race, we have to pull the plug on playing Saladino or Coats or Sanchez or basically anyone (see Micah Johnson early 2015 or Marcus Semien early 2014) for more than 2-3 years if they don't contribute something positively almost right off the bat. We take guys who are obviously not ready for prime time like Tyler Danish and Kahnle and just throw them into the fire and are seemingly surprised when those moves don't work. On the other hand, we stubbornly hold onto "suspects" like Coats and JB Shuck because we can't develop any legit alternatives in our minor league system. It's pretty clear the writing is already on the wall with Coats, and that's a sad thing...because he busted his ass to become at least a possible future regular and he's just not getting a chance, because the White Sox just don't have enough confidence or trust in his ability to deliver. But they trust in Avi? And guys like Beckham and Viciedo in the past to turn things around....based on what? Money invested in them? Prospect ratings? The fact that Avi HAS to succeed to justify the wisdom of a past trade, or the fact that Iglesias has become a regular for the Tigers and Montas might become a significant contributor to the Dodgers at some point this season? I just hate that Garcia bought himself another 2-3 weeks in the line-up because of last night. It's better than a loss, but to expect some kind of turnaround in his offensive approach or defense at this point is foolish and short-sighted. And now we're betting our season on Justin Morneau returning to 2014 form on a $1 million "make good" contract? It's almost comical.

Renteria has a much better record managing the White Sox than Don Cooper, fwiw. Probably not much. Just like his enthusiasm and excitement more. Appreciation for the opportunity he has right now to still be a part of professional baseball in some capacity after what transpired with the Cubs. Plus, he's the bridge to all the Latin American players, which is of critical importance in modern-day baseball with 35-40% of players originating from DR/Venezuela/Cuba/PR/Mexico.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 06:58 AM) I truly think as dumb as it sounds, that Avi is being showcased somehow. Ventura would give him multiple days off in a row at DH. Now he plays every day in the OF with a better defender on the bench. It really doesn't make any sense. Knowing his flaws as well as we do, why would a team like the Brewers (just an example, could be the Rockies, same applies) want Avi Garcia? They already added Domingo Santana from the Astros, and you'd think they would be quite wary because Garcia would HAVE to play RF/LF for them...and that outfield's even bigger than USCF, so even more opportunities for miscues. The Rockies have Blackmon, Parra and then they're going to have to move Story probably to the outfield to make way for an even better SS prospect coming up in the future. I could see a trade for someone like Jake Marisnick or Tucker (the older one) or, God forbid, Carlos Gomez, but it's not going to be part of a blockbuster, IMO. I doubt Rasmus would go for Avi Garcia either, unless they just completely throw in the towel on competing this year.

Were there three teams ahead of them in 1997, just in their own division? My recollection is that it was ONLY the Indians. Granted, they were a juggernaut offensively, but one superteam vs. three "decent/good" teams probably is a wash statistically, especially when said team's history of beating those teams head-to-head is close to abysmal in recent years. It's not as clear-cut as some would make it seem, as going all-out for a "REAL" hitter means decimating the farm system...unless we're willing to accept a smaller but more logical piece that fits with the idea of supplementing our current roster while not having a significant impact on the team's ability to compete in the future. And even if you could get Lucroy and Braun (Mil willing to deal them), it would take every legitimate prospect from our system to pull that one off. Not the kind of trade the White Sox have made since Wells/Fogg/Lowe for Ritchie or Reed/Morse/Olivo for Garcia. Of course, back then, they had a LOT more depth in their minor league talent well.