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That would make this whole thread pointless...we'd sign players right and left and wonder how long it would last and how crazy/rich the owner is, probably feeling more sorry for him than ourselves if the team never managed to win the World Series. That's also part of the explanation for why the fans there are so crazy about their teams, they feel he cares just as much if not more about the team winning than the bottom line/profitability/team valuation/ROI.

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:20 AM) Latin signings are a whole different animal. And speaking of: weren't Abreu, Cespedes, and Puig all the SAME class? What MLB team won with their pick and $? You're moving goal posts. The A's and Dodgers got playoff appearances...

0.9 advantage for Trayce over Lagares...

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:04 AM) Beckham held down his job - the problem was he sucked at it after year 1 and yet kept playing. What do you mean...under 21 signings? The Sox love college grads. Their top picks are almost always 21 or close to it so...is this a gotcha attempt or something? No, I mean pretty soon we will be one of the minority of teams that has never gone over the yearly allocations/allotments for under 21 Latin American signings...

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:40 PM) In my personal opinion, Sanders would be a total anomaly. Dude is full blown socialist. Whether you or anyone else agrees with that or not is not my perogative and Hillary has her own massive issues. I would agree if you referenced Rubio or Bush as being pretty normal. John Kerry would win this election in a landslide. Honestly, I've never disliked the top 4 candidates (2 on each side) more than in this election. Which version of Rubio? Centrist/moderate on immigration or Tea Party fiscal conservative?

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:56 PM) But YOU put up a lineup featuring CarGo in it, right? I'm not crazy? I realize I'm new, but you are all over the place. That guy costs almost $40M unless you get cash and from what I've seen...people on this site are talking about GIVING THEM something to get him... lol. That's patently crazy. Nope, that wasn't my lineup. Actually just playing along since the Rockies convinced Parra to come there largely based on the chance to play at least one year with CarGo. As the franchise player and with his second half and the deals Upton, Davis and Cespedes are getting...the asking price would be Adams and Hawkins. They don't have to trade him...they just got out from under the Tulo deal. Which team needs him more?

Outside of Quentin, Alexei, Abreu and Eaton...that's not a great stretch of eight years considering none of them were your drafts or under 21 signings. Anderson could be the first to hold down a regular job since Beckham.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:45 PM) Yes, because God forbid anyone try to get better besides Cubs in NL Central Especially since they "seduced with Maddon Magic" Lackey and Heyward.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:46 PM) I still think it's only a matter of time before we get a long article on the White Sox page about Avi's potential and how hard he's working. I expect him to start opening day..no platoon. He's actually at a special Camp Beckham to work with Gordo and Greg Walker on a new flip technique down in Georgia according to his twitter feed. Making season ticket calls from special sat phone on jet.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:44 PM) Still think Blackmon ends up in LAA, Fowler to Cubs and Jackson to Rangers. Assuming the Cards are done...

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:38 PM) There was when the Rox signed Parra.... I hope that's dead. I was talking to Caufield12, though. He apparently thinks he's good (which...no). CarGo was basically MVP the second half. Coming into last year, they were looking at eating salary. Same with LA and Ethier. Situations change. I never loved CarGo, but the preservation of Anderson/Fulmer has to be a big part of the equation. In reality, it's Blackmon or Dickerson anyway...

The only way I'm blaming anything on Hahn is if he convinced JR that one of the Big 3 would be realistic options before trading for Frazier and Lawrie. But the only pertinent remaining question is how much do they have left to spend before the season and for who exactly. Adding Fowler, Jackson or Desmond alone won't move the bar with fans, so they'll just have to hope this team can make it to July in competitive fashion and not completely whiff like our non-moves last season. Otoh, sacrificing a draft pick when you convinced everyone you would only do that in special circumstances...just double down on two draft picks for the price of one (since you keep the high first rounder) and roll the dice. Fowler/Desmond, Jackson/Desmond or CarGo/Desmond gives you three realistic options that puts you back ahead of the Tigers and Indians.

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:15 PM) What is Desmond going to cost? Realistically? Similar to Fowler...maybe a notch higher. $42-48 million for three years...or a bit higher on a one year deal, which is not the best move for the Sox because they need him for two years. Something surely will go wrong with Lawrie, Anderson, Frazier or DH.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:13 PM) Eaton CF Cabrera LF Abreu 1B Gonzalez RF Frazier 3B Desmond SS LaRoche DH Lawrie 2B Avila C For a $150 million payroll, which would be about $5 million above KC and well behind Detroit. No doubt that's the most fearsome line-up if you can keep Cargo healthy.

Greg's comment and someone typifying Avi's bat as serviceable are starting to scare me...the Sox pr campaign is starting to take find some buyers.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:09 PM) Signing Desmond and trading Avi and Adams for CarGo. I think that would work. Now you're at between $30-35 million in additional salary (along with a lost draft pick)...it certainly works, but would JR agree?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) God knows I have too many posts in this thread that were anti-Cespedes, but for those that wanted him....would you have been ok with paying him 27.5? Only if you could guarantee a 5-6 war season. In other words, no. The Mets' situation coming off the surprising World Series appearance is different than ours...and they can't afford him long-term. Not to mention they have the ability to trade Harvey (assuming he remains 100% healthy) to replace Cespedes.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:58 PM) I won't be all that surprised when Avi puts up better offensive numbers than Cespedes next year. I'd sign Jackson, move Eaton to left, and Melky to DH. Desmond, I really have no opinion on him and don't care if they sign him , or not. I'd just as soon let Saladino and Sanchez battle it out for SS. Seriously?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) What is with all the fascination with Ian Desmond on here? He is the type of player that the Sox should be avoiding. He's the opposite of Cespedes. Great/underrated player at most important position on the field in the prime of his career. Buy low instead of overpay. Clearly was affected by off-field issues last year. If Marcus Semien is 8th, he's top five if he plays like the previous seasons...you have Correa and Lindor, Crawford, Bogaerts...aging Tulo and Andrelton Simmons.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:49 PM) I think it's more likely the Cubs get Fowler than the Sox do. Cubs will also probably trade Hammel to free some money. Guess it also depends how confident they are in Kendricks and Warren, too. With the crazy pitching contracts, seems anything is possible (not eating any of Hammel's salary) except for the White Sox dumping Danks.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Does Austin Jackson cost a pick? Nope.

Soler or Baez for pitching to TB and then Fowler coming back makes too much sense... Plus Soler upped his value a bit with that flash of potential in the post-season.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) Where did the notion come that Desmond is bad on D? Looking at his error total in isolation, especially the first couple of months when he was surely distracted by the overhanging contract negotiations. This is the same player a year ago who would have broken the all-time Sox recorded contract offer by nearly $40 million. He has some game.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:37 PM) If the Sox really wanted to, I think they can get Desmond & Fowler for under 27.5 million for 2016. The problem is those two draft picks are arguably worth another $20 million in short/long-term (draft pool and lost cost-controlled WAR over time) consequences historically. Unless you just assume that the Sox don't have another Adams selection in them. Hostetler deserves the benefit of the doubt. But, as I said, if they do sign one, go for it and sign both...pick a direction, any direction will do.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:35 PM) Nats did a great job upping the price. And the Orioles with Davis and the deferred money idea...