caulfield12

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-191753654.html Big League Stew makes the case for a Fowler signing. The Sox, Cubs, Rangers, Angels, Orioles, Nationals , Indians and some I might be missing. Brewers supposedly want a stopgap for CF, but that would probably be Austin Jackson. Seems the Indians are already at the ends of their budget, so you can cross them off the list. Cardinals would be another possibility, depending on their long-range plans for Holliday and Adams. That outfield definitely has its weaknesses, especially subtracting the certainty of Heyward's defensive prowess. The Red Sox aren't sure about anyone in their outfield except for Betts. Bradley, Jr., and Castillo are huge question marks.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) So what, put him in the bullpen if EJ or Danks don't blow it in spring training? I get wanting insurance, but Latos would be an expensive insurance policy that is far from reliable himself. Is Beck/Turner/Purke/Carroll/Possibly Fulmer worse than most teams have past their starting 5? Considering the fact that almost nobody perceives Fulmer as being a promotion candidate until August/September, it's definitely a bottom third list in terms of depth past #5...and obviously there are lots of concerns about Johnson and Danks as well.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-salaries-...-220442264.html Passan article on record free agent signings and some interesting payroll numbers, like the Brewers. Right now, the White Sox are sitting in 16th place. Almost exactly in the middle. FWIW, only one team in the last 23 years has won the World Series with a 3rd or 4th quartile payroll.

If Upton didn't want to come to Chicago, and this rumor was out there well before a contract theoretically could have been offered by the Sox...what were the reasons other than this "he was never interested" without further clarification? Nobody's going to argue that Detroit had a far superior team, although they certainly had been much more active in free agency (especially Zimmerman) up until that point. We always hear the common refrain that money always trumps everything else (with a few exceptions), so what gives?

The best shot we had was Upton, and apparently he prefers Detroit as an organization over the Sox because it's certainly not based on lifestyle/standard of living in the two cities...and it's not like Comerica offers him the opportunity to put up the stats USCF would, either.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:48 AM) Now you are arguing in favor of the deals you said are bad. Are you trying not to make sense? So far, long term extensions to pitchers are bad. But Sale, Quintana? Still bad, do you really think Buster Olney would have it wrong. You wait until 1 year before they become free agents to offer extensions, because...John Danks. John Danks was extended one year before he became a free agent. But Sale and Quintana, what if they get hurt. Yes, but the Sox have safeguards in the contracts in case of those events. Still dumb, and Boras will never give you that for Rodon. So according to you, he is doing the White Sox a favor. It would be stupid locking him up to a contract that bought out free agent years because....John Danks. No sense at all and now flipping to the other side. It is hysterical. Wow, then they should be able to use all those safeguards to easily entice a good hitter once every ten years, lol. Whatever...but I'm sure your confidence (that has nothing to do with Don Cooper since he sucks according to you) in keeping our pitching staff healthy year after year will be borne out.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) The have already saved money with Sale. You can argue he is no bargain, and everyone will laugh at you, but again, if you look at the facts, Sale and Q can be bought out the final 2 years for $1 million. So once again, you are way off. Don't let facts stop you Caulfield, those were clearly misguided extensions. They should be like the Royals and spend $70 million on Ian Kennedy. Why don't you spend your time and write to Buster Olney instead...tell him that Sale and Quintana rebut his theory, just like John Danks does as well. See if he reconsiders his position.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) The have already saved money with Sale. You can argue he is no bargain, and everyone will laugh at you, but again, if you look at the facts, Sale and Q can be bought out the final 2 years for $1 million. So once again, you are way off. If you're going to value war at $7-8 million, then Desmond and Jackson are no brainers, too. The problem is the White Sox won't get that same deal from Boras on Rodon, and everyone in baseball thinks it would be dangerous to offer it to Fulmer. And despite those bargains with Sale and Quintana, they still haven't created enough payroll flexibility to have a truly competitive team because of Danks and LaRoche.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:23 AM) No the John Danks mention makes no sense because guess who was 1 year away from free agency when he signed an extension? Don't sign pitchers to extensions until one year before the become free agents or else you will have a John Danks situation. You know, the guy that signed an extension one year before he became a free agent. Caulfied ripping the White Sox with made up facts, take 10,156. And your point that Quintana and Sale are great bargains and will never get injured, therefore disproving Olney...right? How can you possibly argue that until they both successfully reach the end of their 5th season as starters? I suppose you're also a fortune teller? You can't even answer a simple question about how much you would limit your offer to Dexter Fowler to after spending the last 2-3 weeks hyping his addition every single day. Now why is that?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) Just looked over his stats the past few years and you're right. Good OBP, decent power, won't kill you in the OF. $36.5 million over the next two years isn't terrible. We can probably get him for almost nothing as well, considering it's more or less a salary dump. For that price, just sign the much younger everyday player in Upton. And, if he's sitting against lefties with that salary, it's almost like paying him $24-25 million. We had the same problem with Cabrera last year as well. A Thome-like subsidy to cut his contract down to $12-14 million, it starts to make more sense.

So, 2002...he did well for about a month or so, it was pretty exciting until it became apparent he was a shadow of the former player in CLE and a negative clubhouse presence to boot.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 09:06 AM) Yes it did. And nothing that guy says ever makes much sense. Ummmm....Buster Olney said it, so he doesn't make sense. Once again, he's attributing someone else's words, but I doubt he even took the time to read what Olney wrote in the first place without jumping to conclusions. Go back to the original article and read the third paragraph. I never once brought up Sale and Quintana, and neither did Olney. The Sox mistake with John Danks is a lot closer to the situation he wrote that paragraph about...in terms of risk-aversion with pitchers at that point in their careers. But then that would make a strong argument against Olney. Read post #9 and explain how that has anything to do with what Olney said....it's strawman stuff.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 08:21 AM) Sox f***ed up giving Sale and Q long term extensions. The point is to avoid situations like the Danks contract that hamstring payroll flexibility. But I'm sure you will still argue we got our money's worth, nevertheless.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 08:05 AM) It is an insider article. I can't. In the free section that's the teaser...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) Protests over the scoreboard? You can't seriously think that is even a possibility. I was joking. I doubt there will even be anything too controversial about the state of the roster...some meathead fans will ask questions in the wrong tone and get embarrassed.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:55 AM) I'd wouldn't give him what the Royals gave Ian Kennedy, even though he's a better player. It isn't my money being spent so I really don't care what they give him, but I really doubt he averages anywhere near $15 million a year. If they are saying he should have taken the QO, his offers must be significantly lower than that. He's unlikely to average $16 million per year for a two or three year pact, that's pushing it. The questioning was on why not to take one year at $15.8 million and then go back into a slim FA class next year. Put up huge numbers as a complementary piece in that more experienced offense in 2016 and it will make you look better than you really are in actuality.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:30 AM) No chance. That draft pick is worth what, like $10-$15 million on the open market? That's why he isn't signed. Fowler came into the offseason looking at a 4 year $60 million deal. That QO completely saps his value. He should have accepted the QO. I'd say a 3 year deal would be in the $38-$42 million range and a 2 year $24-$28 million would be possible. Denard Span got $31 over 3 years with no QO attached. But Span had an injury-marred year, had overhanging concerns in that area (hence the online video and planned public workout) and is older, right? Whereas Fowler performed much better last season. At any rate, I hope we drive up the contract for the Cubs instead of falling victim to desperation and overpaying.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:21 AM) If Harper is projected to get 14/407, what do you guys think that Trout will get? 16/500? Look at Harper's age now, the year 2018 and when Trout will become a free agent (after 2020)...it's going to be closer to 12-13 years than 16 imo. And there's no telling how much wear and tear he will have on his body at that point. One of the other key notes is never to give a pitcher a long-term extension in general, and not until they're one year away from free agency to mitigate against injury risk.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 06:18 AM) 3 of the last 4 years Fowler has put up a better WAR than CarGo. Including CarGo's 40 homer season in 2015. What's the highest salary you would have the White Sox pay him for one, two and three years? Would you stop at three or go to four? How close would you be willing to go to $68-72 million?

Read the last paragraph...

Just what the White Sox need right now...public funds use/tax protests at Sox Fest and Opening Day. It would be kind of fitting if nobody significant is added to the roster between now and then.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:00 AM) And not accusing the Tigers of tampering with/through the scoreboard...

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 01:34 AM) Thank u caulfield for posting. I do appreciate it! Now my statement: Many of you think Greg is a clown or even worse, a moron, but you have to admit that article touched on some of the reasons I don't like Ms. Clinton. In other words, I am not the only one thinking these things. Folks, is it so hard for us, as a nation, to put the Clintons behind us? They have money; they'll be fine. Let's just have a Bernie Sanders/Cruz fight for the oval office and call it a day. If you want a modern day combination of Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson, Cruz is your guy. You get the cocky smirk thrown in for free. More than likely, if Hillary loses both Iowa and NH, you get Michael Bloomberg joining the race as an independent.

Or not tipping pitches...

Filipina for a girl...btw. Or Pinay.