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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 10:21 AM) Then tell me what were they supposed to trade for Cespedes or Upton, and link me to the offers for Samardzija. I stated yesterday, ideally they could do both, but you have to have cooperation from the other side. I gave you what Leake cost, why would Samardzija be more? Cespedes would have at least cost Montas, or Eric Johnson and another player because if the offers are the same, Detroit isn't going to help the White Sox.Not one team traded with SD despite rumors. The asking prices had to be ridiculous. So, just tell me what they could have done, without you saying they overpayed or got ripped off. Enough of the jump on the bandwagon of the day and throw as much bulls*** out there as you can. Try to be at least semi-logical. Semi-logical is not to even waste time arguing about things we'll probably never know it won't know until KW or Hahn write "tell all, this is what really happened" books 10-15 years from now. Semi-logical is to be somewhat skeptical of what this front office's plan is until there's clear evidence of the plan working. As far as that goes, Avi Garcia has been a pretty big disappointment, it's hard to say Rodon has made great strides forward with his command/control and developing confidence in his change-up (even his biggest supporters will admit he's been inconsistent), Adam Eaton has admitted his defense has been terrible this season and Jose Abreu has been very good but not great. We can make assumptions that Alexei, Tyler Saladino and Carlos will continue to play as well as they have recently, and that Melky's "back to normal" but it's probably better to wait and see how they perform over these next six series with superior competition before drawing any conclusions.

Well, we allowed Paulie a reunion tour, two former players as manager and one as GM, there was Beckham this season...Buehrle next year? Or maybe they're positioning themselves to add on Alex Guerrero/Puig as well as Cespedes (off-season FA) and play 20 games per year in Havana? Unfortunately they already missed out on Hector Olivera, though.

Scotty Pods apparently had made himself available to suit up again but was turned down...KW was overruled. Something about it being unfair there was a Ladies' Night, so pitched Lisa Dergan Night to Boyer.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 07:07 AM) I don't know why but I read this post with the voice of Kip Dynamite in my head. American Movie was it for me....one of the funniest low budget indy movies of all-time. Just the part about Brett Favre was hilarious. Of course, they were supposedly documenting the filming of an even lower budget movie called THE COVEN, which sounds a bit like that synopsis. So it's either that one or Waiting for Guffman. https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/imag...mp;fr=yfp-t-901

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 03:43 PM) Cruz was on the radio late last night and said he's looking forward to debating Hillary. He said his parents filed for bankruptcy when he was in high school and he just paid off his student loans six years ago. Meanwhile the Clintons are rolling in dough. He also really attacked Hillary and Bill's ethics. Should be interesting if he's that vicious during the real debates. He's obviously a lock to get the nomination. Because he's one of the few who didn't actively slam Trump, positioning himself to pick off his supporters? It's kind of funny how that finances thing does, they're actively using the fact that Marco Rubio had a history of money problems (loans again) and some bad investments for most of his life before the Senate and was still in the process of paying off loans or had just recently done so. So that's being used (in an attempt) to disqualify him from office because of personal financial management... I don't think that line of attack on a woman in a Presidential race is going to gain any traction because those who don't like her weren't going to vote for her anyway, and the middle/undecideds/moderates/independents (and there won't be as many in this polarizing environment) aren't going to be easily convinced of that argument because it will be cast as part of the "right wing conspiracy" media out to get the Clintons. They're Teflon like that, usually. https://www.yahoo.com/politics/some-democra...5613677451.html This will make Greg happy...Joe Biden (also in his 70's) at least 50/50 about running, definitely will jump in if her favorability numbers stay in the 50's.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 02:22 PM) Lol. The original Avisail. I think that was Juan Uribe, who Alexei (although he has had his moments offensively for a SS) and eventually Dayan copied. The Will to Win. It's BACCCKKKKKKKK!

Well, one reason is the belief that K-Rod will soon be coming down the waiver wire without an additional 3 year commitment attached... Robertson's still an interesting name to see if anyone tries to block him (possible, but highly unlikely, it's a not insignificant financial risk), and whether we hear whispers of his name coming up in trade discussion.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 10:26 AM) I'm pessimistic on that pick but you've underestimated it here. These guys haven't established themselves as long-term successes yet, so I'd still say a comp pick has a 40% chance or so of matching that, give or take. The numbers when I looked through the comp picks were 10% of them over the last decade being all-star worthy and about 50% of them making the big leagues. If you say "made the big leagues and being slightly positive players so far" then you're probably down to 40% of the comp picks or so, but if 10% or so of comp picks are legit All Star quality, then you're underestimating the value of the pick. In a perfect/ideal universe, maybe...but I lowered my estimates because of the Sox record in that position player evaluation/draft and development side of things. We'd be bucking a decade of history, going all the way back to Crede and Aaron Rowand since we produced an All-Star (I think one of them made it at least once...or is that wrong?) Looked it up to be sure, Joe Crede, 2008. Silver Slugger as well. I suppose Gordon Beckham COULD have made it in 2009 if he didn't start relatively late that season. But that turned out to be a false-positive.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/140263494/ro...rade-candidates Phil Rogers names John Danks one of the August names that could be on the move. John Danks, White Sox, SP: Historically, the White Sox have not been very willing to pay players to work elsewhere, but they have young pitching coming and need places to put them. Danks' 4.33 career ERA won't command attention, but consider this: He pitched very well in starts against the Cardinals, Pirates and Reds this year, cutting his ERA to 2.92 in 28 inter-league starts. He's worked to copy Mark Buehrle's style, and it plays against NL lineups. CarGo, Marlon Byrd, Adam Lind and Starlin Castro among the hitters profiled. I'll add Mike Napoli to the list.

The plan is coming together. There go all of LaRoche's LH at-bats! Who's next, AJ? Juan Uribe's been traded around too much already this year? Neal Cotts?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 09:39 AM) I still say a comp pick is a pretty rotten return for the player. A comp pick is, to me, a guy with about a 50% chance of being in the big leagues 4-5 years later and 10% chance of being an all-star within 7-8. The White Sox gave up 4 guys who were on the verge of being big league hitters and will get 1 guy who has probably a 60% chance of reaching that level in return. Yes there's some additional flexibility in there where you can move money around, so that's not perfect, but basically the White Sox gave up 4 guys and will get 1 guy with a 60% chance of getting to the point where any of those 4 guys got, and a bit more flexiblity to move money around. If they couldn't get an easily better return than that, then the league respects Samardzija less than I do and they think he's about to fall completely apart. Except for the part about Chris Bassitt also being a hitter, agreed. But saying he's (the comp pick) going to have the upside/ceiling of someone like Rangel Ravelo in AA (granted, limited power, no position and injury-prone) isn't going to get Hahn a contract extension. And the one point people are overlooking with that trade is that let's say we did have those four additional players available (and that Semien was contributing the same for us as for Oakland), then that additional depth might have made a key difference in being able to make some different moves at the deadline. Now we'll never know, all we can do is speculate. But the odds of that pick doing what Semien, Bassitt and Phegley have already done in the majors this season are about 10-15% at best.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) Serious question. When was the last time that a guy who was a reliever already at a lower level made it to the majors and contributed for the White Sox? I mean we are talking about Addison Reed, Bobby Jenks, and who? Taylor Thompson, haha. Sergio Santos. Brian Omogrosso, but he began his career as a starter and then converted with all the injuries.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 08:39 AM) Nottingham has a .525 OPS since he was traded. I know sample size. But don't tell me if the Sox traded Shark and he was the main piece you wouldn't be dwelling on that over and over again. Hanging on to Shark is costing money, but as far as the future of the franchise, it is costing them nothing. You will whine from both sides of the fence. You actually wondered if KW was insane a couple of days ago, then you compalined about the Sox being conservative yesterday. Leake got the Reds a high A pitcher. Cespedes got the Tigers a preseason top 100 pitcher with an ERA below 2.00. No one traded with SD because their prices were insane. This is the best course, and the Sox are currently in good position to make waiver claims as the teams in the AL below them have no reason to block if they feel they are out of it. And I know you will tell me I am wrong because that is what you do. I tried to copy and paste a quote from you one time in a thread you were comtrdicting yourself, but I did it wrong and it looked like I posted it. You started arguing with it. It was hysterical. Arguing your own post. Considering the theme was KW is in charge and he is going to trade any prospect worth a damn for players who won't help the Sox , people should be happy that didn't happen. Now apparently, 2 months of Samardzija is worth franchise changing prospects since they didn't trade him. I know one thing, there is no way you wouldn't be ripping the return if they did trade him. This is rich, no matter what happens, you have a defense for the organization...par for the course. Surely you've scouted all those guys who were acquired and have already deduced they're all going to end up as busts. Since nobody knows the actual offers on the table (and when they were made, Hahn was supposedly ready to fold 4-6 weeks ago), we will never know, all the we can do is surmise. Kind of a pointless exercise, although those who think it was wise to hold onto Samardzija will surely be outnumbered by a 3:1 ratio. Next you will try to spin that their strategy all along was to position themselves at the very bottom of the also-rans, but not far enough out of the race that they couldn't pick off all those players from the waiver wire like Jay Bruce, CarGo, Justin Upton, Ethier, etc. Brilliant! Why don't teams just do that every season? We can play chicken with other organizations and end up with another Alex Rios in 2009...who will help us about half the time and the other half we'll want to strangle him and whose salary will be so bloated it will prevent us from making other moves for younger players who might actually be in their primes from 2016-2019. Both sides of the fence to you: We want them to not waste top 3-4 minor league prospects on a rental but still trade Samardzija and take our chances with EJ if there's no way to do a bigger trade like Puig and 4/5 starter for Quintana. So, in your world, there's only buying or selling, and a combination of both those is way too complex to understand? If you bothered to read, I agreed with nearly everyone we shouldn't overpay for a rental and that we'd probably end up getting someone like Mike Napoli as a waiver claim (albeit too late). Maybe Valencia now, who knows. KW trading Anderson or Montas or Micah or even EJ for Upton/Cespedes would have been insane, especially the first two players. In the end, there's no way in hell that fans will expect much of anything from whoever they draft with that pick...because analysis of all those picks outside of the Top 3 every year shows not to expect much of picks in 20's, 30's and 40's as a general rule of thumb. But we won't really know if it was a bad pick until 2018 or 2019 so perhaps fans won't even care as much by then if the White Sox are actually competing for the playoffs. At least it was entertaining for you to argue the Royals had blown all their chances to compete after this season by blowing their wad on Cueto and Zobrist...somehow KC was the only team dumb enough to pay such exorbidant rates for 2 month rentals.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 08:13 AM) I can't see how not trading HURT the "Rebuilding". It didn't help it right now, but it certainly didn't hurt it. Shark was really the only piece that had any sort of value. I imagine a Kazmir like return. A lot of people are high on that return, but was it really better than a potential 25-30 pick? The A's have a worse farm system than the Sox, and Nottingham ranks 8th in that system. I wouldn't be surprised if whoever the Sox take with their comp pick ranks in the top 10 right out the gate. It we had Posey or Molina or Yan Gomes or Sal Perez or Matt Wieters or Russell Martin or Yasmani Grandal, nobody would care much about Nottingham.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 1, 2015 -> 07:28 AM) Announced attendance was just a little over 30,000. I thought it would be more. 30,359. The Blue Jays had under 30,000 at home on a Friday night against the Royals (Cueto starting, too) with all of the momentum in the world behind them this week, the trades for Tulo/Price, "best offense in the game 1-6," etc. Just like the Sox, teams that have been losing for many years (going back to the World Series teams in the early 90's), it takes time for the fans to jump back on board and trust the organization again 100%.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 10:42 PM) Sitting back tonight and trying to digest all the events of today since I was first told Billy had passed. A couple things I didn't put in his OBIT story come to mind. Every time I'd call him just to talk or to ask a question about the Sox or when he played he'd always answer "Hey there kidoh!" And he always sounded so happy. Like he never had a bad day in his life. One time I told him, "Billy you're never going to die..." He looked at me and said 'why?' and I told him "because you never pissed anybody off. God won't take someone who was such a nice guy." He laughed. I guess God needed a damn good left hander. Hope Billy says hello to Nellie, Sherm, Big Klu, Early, Gerry and Bob Shaw from all of us fans. Mark Gerry Staley?

Speaking of the #12 pick, we're now tied for 11th with two teams, the Tigers and Padres. 3 1/2 GB of the wild card spot, 5 1/2 GB of last place in the AL (Oakland A's).

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:51 PM) How many years do we have to appease these f***ing people by keeping a flawed team entact to avoid screams of White Flag!? I would have White Flagged this team even if we were tied for the wild card. However our front office lacks convinction and cares about further affecting an already meger attendance. Oh no, they'll fall behind CLE, TB and Oakland in attendance!!! Not sure that's even possible. But the franchise is worth $800 million - $1.2 billion!!!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) Except those are the people they are trying to keep engaged. A plan does them no good if their fans think they quit. It really seems the only realistic option is to move, unless they can hit on almost all of their moves like 2004-2005. Otherwise, it's declining revenues vs. the sweetheart deal for USCF, waiting for the 2019 broadcasting rights economic boon and maximizing franchise value for a possible sale. The team's worth more in Chicago, but the fanbase is getting fed up to the point where a fresh start in another city OR new management in place (see Black Hawks) are the only viable choices.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:39 PM) Except those are the people they are trying to keep engaged. A plan does them no good if their fans think they quit. But, otoh, if you allow the fans to "intimidate" the front office out of making moves, you're done before you start. Well, we can't do XYZ because of White Flag. Leading to, we can't realistically compete next year without trading away XYZ, which constitutes surrender in the minds of fans. In the end, they either don't have the will to win or the front office was nuts to think they could hang with these other teams like the Blue Jays, Royals, Astros and even the Rangers who were all operating like large-market teams. (Heck, the team that had just won 4 consecutive division titles just white flagged it when trailing the WC by the same number of games as the White Sox...) So you're stuck in this loop where fear of fan reaction forces you to do things you don't want to do because you know they're not consistent with building a long-term, sustainable model.

Rick Perry, fwiw, had another major brain cramp/freeze when asked this week about his opinion about how guys like Boehner were doing in Congress...he was like a deer caught in headlights and wasn't even close to answering the question coherently. He's one more strike away from being totally wiped out of contention.

Blue Jays win. Mob scene in Toronto. Questionable balk call moved over Tulo to 2nd, Donaldson drove him in. Fwiw, they still didn't have 30,000 on a Friday night after adding Price/Tulo in the span of less than one week against the best team in the AL, arguably.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) r u serious..... that is part of this board lore.... all the hype all the excitement .... that is what sox baseball is all about. Manny Ramirez or Alphonso Soriano...on their way to the SouthSide. Come on down!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 08:14 PM) I still like my plan. "Avi every time you hit the ball to the right side you owe me 40 pushups". You raised it by ten now. He'll be so muscle bound he won't even be able to hit and will have to join the ESPN Bodyshaping Competition instead.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) 100% wrong. The fact that you referenced the White Flag trade is exactly why they didn't trade Jeff Samardjiza. Sox fans are STILL bringing that up after almost 20 years. Except that trading Shark yesterday would have been understandable. The Blue Jays had a "super team" assembled (like the Indians at that time), the lead was also 3 1/2 games but in this case, the odds were even lower because of the presence of 5-6 other teams in the race and an absolutely horrendous stretch of six consecutive series facing them and the historically terrible offense (except for the recently mowing down 2 last place teams that were slumping). Let's just put it this way....not having traded Shark's not going to sell any additional season tickets, but the fact that we couldn't get a useful position player in return for him's going to make competing next year even more difficult.