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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb Richard Justice (Houston Chronicle/mlb.com) argues why Puig should be on the All-Star team after just 106 AB's. It's worth it just to watch the full highlights video from last night's game.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:55 PM) And? No team would have deemed him less valuable due to allowing an unearned run in an inning with 2 errors and because he allowed 1 earned run a week later for the first time since April. Also, his value to other teams is completely irrelevant to whether or not he makes the AS team. To GM's, yes. Psychologically, to a fanbase, I disagree...perception, again. Let's say you are the GM and you added an All-Star reliever (like Thornton the year he made it), it's even harder to blame the GM for that (possibly backfiring) move when you acquired a pitcher acknowledged by managers/coaches/fellow players to be among the very best that particular season.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 03:06 PM) What was being offered for Crain a week ago? Still waiting for Marco Paddy to call me back, lol...I'm sure we'll hear it from an upcoming Phil Rogers column, though.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 03:14 PM) Well nevermind then. I stand corrected on that side. Still, a contender who needs bullpen help would love to have a guy like Crain and healthy, the Sox would get some serious chips. Probalby more then any player not named Alex Rios (who is on the block). Addison Reed would probably command more and Thornton should net you something pretty solid too. Sox suck cause there defense is horrid and they can't execute or hit. Their top relievers (Thorty (REALLY?)/Crain) both have extensive value as does Alexei (not top flight value but someone will give up some decent chips for him; no #1 prospect but something solid) and Rios clearly would net you something. Peavy should net you something solid, if it doesn't, you hold onto him. Danks, you might let go and just take the cash savings. You skipped DeAza and Lindstrom. A guy like Lindstrom for only $500 K is a bargain, veteran experience, former closer...he's not far off from Jason Frasor, and a much cheaper contract. Frasor was mostly garbage for us.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 03:11 PM) I thought the Sox would have to offer him a ton in arbitration in order to get comp pick? $13-14 million or whatever the indexed number is....

Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell says hello, Brian Giles for Ricardo Rincon, Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz, etc.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) I borderline hated "Man of Steel". Awful effects and Shannon did the only decent job out of the actors. The last 40 mins had me rolling my eyes. That's where our preconceived notions and perceptions (from critics, from internet buzz, from word of mouth) always come into play....expectation/anticipation and then reality. I do think there's a small vocal group out there who will hate on everything Zach Snyder does, but Brian's definitely not the type, FWIW.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:39 PM) I know he is only 16 and some might say Hahn overpaid, but if the Cubs signed him we would have been drooling. It is nice to see the Sox take a gamble. Let's hope this pays off for the international department after the Molina recommendation. I'm pumped. Can anyone honestly assess underpaid and overpaid before 3-4 years from now? It's like throwing darts at the wall and hoping some stick....or a mutual fund company investing in 100 individual companies and hitting it out of the park on maybe 5-7 of them.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:46 PM) Man, we're really going to miss Crain for that Tigers series. Hawk told me the Sox can back in this thing. Against DET from 2010-2012, he's had a 4.15 ERA and two blown saves in two opportunities.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:41 PM) Or he can sneak into the Home Run Derby and surprisingly strike some sluggers out on national TV! With our luck, Dunn would hit Jesse's slider and knock him out with a comebacker. By Mark Gonzales, Tribune reporter 3:07 p.m. CDT, July 3, 2013 Reliever Jesse Crain, who figured to be one of the Chicago White Sox's primary trade candidates this month, and first baseman Paul Konerko were placed on the 15-day disabled list Wednesday. Crain (shoulder strain) was placed on the DL retroactive to June 30, and manager Robin Ventura said he could be ready to return after the July 15-18 All-Star break. Crain's condition flared up while he was warming up in the seventh inning of Tuesday's game but sat down after the White Sox extended their lead with three runs en route to a 5-2 win over the Orioles. Crain is 2-3 with a 0.74 ERA and 46 strikeouts in 38 games. Konerko, who has been battling a lower-back strain, went 0-for-4 Tuesday with two strikeouts. He is hitting .249 with seven homers and 37 RBI in 67 games, and also is expected to return after the break.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) LOL. Ok. He did lose any value one week ago to today before the injury. And if he wasn't hurt he would not have lost any more value at the end of July. At the height of his scoreless appearances streak (he's been scored on twice since then, although the first one was attributable to shoddy defense by Alexei)...and now there's no way he's going to be named to the AL All-Star team.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:10 PM) Crain would have to go on the dl. f***in a. He threw almost 200 pitches in 20 days this past June. Most other closers and set-up guys are AT LEAST 100+ pitches or more behind him in total pitches for a reliever this year (not including long men/sport starters). Not really a complete surprise, with his injury history since joining the White Sox.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 01:14 PM) The draft class they brought in as well as the signing of Zapata have shown that he is going to do his best to re-establish the minor league system. If he doesn't make any trades in the next month, then you can probably start questioning, but the odds of that are slim to none. Matt Thornton's kids inadvertently tripped him on the way into the Despicable Me 9:45 a.m. morning showing and he's been DL'ed as well with a left shoulder contusion.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:06 PM) I expect Alex Rios to get hit by the Metra in the next day or two. Alexei will get injured stealing 2B with a poorly-conceived dive/slide as he tries to avoid contact and gets wiped out by the bag or gets his cleats caught in the dirt.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:03 PM) Again, we could use this as an opportunity to actually give Alexei a day off by playing Morel at short. Sad times when that's the only positive to come out of the month so far... One thing we CAN do right now is try to acquire Kelly Shoppach and send Gimenez back to the minors. We need some veterans around the younger players to stabilize the clubhouse with all these wholesale changes coming, and Shoppach's a useful back-up player whether we're competing or rebuilding, whichever direction it goes.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 02:01 PM) Alright, you can find me floating facedown in the Illinois river sometime soon After Phil Rogers stole your Blackhawks/White Sox analogy, lol...

And the hits just keep on coming.... Some of this will be blamed on Ventura for overusing Crain, some on Hahn for not trading him at his peak value a week or so ago.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) According to Sox beat writers on the Twittersphere, this may have happened. If that's true, we've managed to blow (even if it's terrible luck) 80-85% of what could have gotten in return this season for Floyd, Peavy and Crain if they were all healthy. "If it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all."

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) If I'm Hahn, I'm asking Jerry for permission to make decisions only based on baseball and not finance. We are not in dire straits with money, lots is coming off the books no matter what we do. This is especially pertinent with Dunn. If we agree that Adam Dunn today is no worse than the guy we've seen for the past two seasons (low, low average but 40 HRs and 100 RBI pace of production), then there should be a nice return in trade. Even if a trade partner this year agrees that Dunn has turned a corner and can be counted on to hit a bunch of homers, I highly doubt we can get enough of a return in baseball terms to make the trade make sense -- because, of course, the other team will leverage the remaining year on his contract as a big risk. On the other hand, imagine Dunn is on a 40+ HR pace at the All-Star break next year. We are either competing due in part to his production (this would assume a couple FA signings and good luck) or...he suddenly has tremendous trade value because his contract no longer carries risk. Likewise, we would have the leverage of potentially getting a draft pick from him if he walks in FA in that scenario. In the worst case, we pay him bad money. We'll have saved so much already, though, that to us (you know, fans that don't fund this payroll) there is no harm. You pay him in hopes of getting some great young baseball players in return. If you dump him now, you've saved money for sure. However, that money is EXTREMELY unlikely to become good baseball players since we are already likely to have 30-60 million dollars off the books by Opening Day next year. Another 15 probably isn't going to become yet another FA signing because I don't see us signing 4 players to big FA contracts in the same offseason because that's crazy. You really think we're going to make a qualifying offer to Dunn after 2014? Even if he was close to great next season, he's been so up and down with us I would have a hard time imagining the White Sox taking the risk (of say a another $13 million investment at least) that he doesn't find a better deal elsewhere and ends up being on the roster again in 2015. It's not worth it, IMO. Going into that scenario would be somewhat similar to having gotten stuck with Orlando Cabrera in 2009, and blocking Alexei from taking over SS.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) Check out Dick with the bold predictions. Taking a page from the flavum handbook... Assuming he gets about 350 PA for the next 3 months, he would have to go 135/350 to hit .400 on the button. A .386 average for the rest the year.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 01:08 PM) Send Adam Dunn. For the Home Run Derby, sure.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 12:30 PM) This is the best thread on this site by a very large margin. Futures squad: C: Wellington Castillo 1B: Anthony Rizzo 2B: Starlin Castro SS: Javier Baez 3B: Kris Bryant OF: Albert Almora OF: Jorge Soler OF: Eloy Jimenez Someone post one for the White Sox. No, I'm just kidding. Man, why did they have to sign Edwin Jackson? They could have put that money towards resigning Garza. I wouldn't be bragging too much about Castro, he's sliding downwards....albeit not quite in Angel Berroa (shout out to Puig thread) fashion. Five years ago, you would have said Geovany Soto would be a perennial All-Star. Catchers are hard to predict (for another example, look at Alex Avila with the Tigers). Have they even signed Bryant yet? Putting Jimenez there is like a Sox fan assuming Zapata and Courtney Hawkins will both make it. You never know. C Flowers/Phegley/Blanke/Kevan Smith 1B Dayan Viciedo/Wilkins/Keon Barnum 2B Beckham/Micah Johnson SS Carlos Sanchez 3B Conor Gillaspie LF Zapata CF Trayce Thompson RF Courtney Hawkins Bench: Walker, Jared Mitchell Erik Johnson Scott Snodgress Beck Bassit Daniel Webb Santos Rodriguez Simon Castro Andre Rienzo

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 12:14 PM) I thought Chris Sale was the biggest asset on this team... Of the ones they're like to trade (any Sale trade would happen in an offseason), although you can make strong arguments for Rios, Ramirez and perhaps DeAza over Crain. But Crain's reasonable salary and expiring contract make him ideal, too. Nevertheless, if Peavy's able to make 2-3 starts and can throw at normal velocity, he automatically jumps to the top of pack.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 11:03 AM) Don't worry caufield...I too am interested. I want to know if it is anything serious as he is probably our biggest asset. He's gone from 193 pitches (April), to 236 to 240 in June. 669 total this season. The biggest concern is a whopping 186 pitches in 20 days between the 9th and 29th of June. That's a lot, at max effort. In comparison, Addison has 171, 183 and 228. 582 pitches for Reed. Mark Melancon, the MLB hold leader (23) for the Pirates, has 570 pitches so far this season. Crain is 3rd, with 20. Matt Thornton's also in the Top 10 with 17.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 3, 2013 -> 10:39 AM) That, and his .714 OPS in AA. You just had the feeling Short was more likely to end up as a 4th/5th outfielder if everything broke his way. He did have that one season where he was absolutely on fire batting average-wise. Wasn't he even the 9th or 10th prospect in our system one year?