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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 09:46 PM) Good questions. The reason I started this thread is it was Sunday night and I heard the announcers praising AJ, I saw he was hitting over .300 with good numbers and it reminded me of how he was ornery and probably wouldn't allow this horses*** defensive play to go on. I also looked at the black hole that is Flowers in the lineup and thought his bat would be a big time plus again this season. As much as I don't like Flowers, I wanted to blast the FRONT OFFICE for another lousy move that did not work. I think it's pretty obvious Flowers is a lousy everyday player, a decent sub probably and AJ's absence truly hurt this lineup and this team. Where was AJ in the second half of 2006, 2007, 2009 and 2011?

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 08:43 PM) Sox should try to offer up Dunn to the Yanks and see if they bite. They got tons of money and might not mind paying some of that contract. He would be good paired with Travis Mini/Shrunken-Hafner.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 08:44 PM) You said he was the coldest player in the organization except for Hawkins and that is just not true. I know you were over-exaggerating but still not true 14/76=.184 Over his last 76 at-bats, who has been worse?

Fine, 10 for his last 40. But going back to the Cubs series, and I said 2-3 weeks, should have said 3-4... 14/76=.184

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 08:39 PM) Not true. He had an 8 game hitting streak before last night. And if I remember he hit the ball hard a couple times and being robbed by Byrd once Go back the last month, when he was hitting in the .280's or low .290's and had those 8 walks. He's had ONE big hit, the bases clearing one against the Royals, pretty sure it was off slow mo Chen. How many of those 8 games did he have more than one hit? Probably one. Byrd made a good major league play, but it wasn't amazing. He dove and caught it.

QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 08:27 PM) I figured we'd make an 0-9 guy with an ERA near 6 look like a Cy Young candidate tonight........... Definitely a "trap" game for the gamblers. Would never bet on this White Sox offense, especially with Gillaspie and Konerko. Our DH was Jeff Keppinger, that says something about the state of our offense. Dayan Viciedo has been colder than everyone in the organization but Courtney Hawkins the last 2-3 weeks.

Supposedly, the Mets are considering putting Parnell on the trade market, but would have to be bowled over with an offer.

1) Viciedo trying to cut down the runner at 3B when he was going to his left (the viewer's right), throwing across the body, and letting the trail runner sneak into 2nd. Overshot the cutoff man, etc. 2) On a play that would have surely been a double play ball to end the inning (were Ramirez back at double play depth with runners at 1st and 3rd)...Ramirez ole'd a ball into left field instead of getting in front of it...failing to get his glove down (what do they teach you in Little League? Get your glove down to the ground, then adjust upwards, rather than trying to go down from a higher position) or even block a ball that he played off to the side...reminiscent of the game-losing play against KC. 3) Ramirez, down 3-0, is out by a mile foolishly trying to steal second base. You can add DHing Jeff Keppinger with a 530-something OPS and losing to a guy with an 0-9 record (as I'm writing, the shutout is up in the air) and a mid 5's ERA.

Anderson's doing as well as can be expected for the aggressive promotion. At .310 now.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 04:04 PM) Since Morel can kind of play short, please, use this as an excuse to give Alexei a day off. They better play Beckham at SS and Keppinger at 2B before they try Morel at SS in a major league game.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 02:45 PM) See I view that trade totally differently. The Teahen trade & extension itself was dumb, but the second Jackson deal was KW taking advantage of the Jays desire for Rasmus. The Cards wanted EJax & weren't going to make that deal without him, so Kenny rightfully got a good prospect out of them (Stewart was a good, highly rated prospect with a nice arm who busted, as is typical, let's not rewrite history) and then Kenny made them eat Teahen's deal. Frasor was the add-on kind of piece there. That was actually a huge haul for Kenny for a 1/2 season of Jackson, and an excellent example of him taking advantage of a very unique situation. The lamenting of the Jackson-Hudson deal just needs to disappear from these boards. We tried to win, we didn't, oh well. We didn't miss a beat in the SP department, we actually got better even without anyone we were talking about at the time coming through. Still the biggest & most hurtful move during that time period was the one we didn't make, where JR blocked KW from firing Ozzie's ass. In fairness, I forgot about the Frasor/Webb/Jaye part of it. Still, there was absolutely ZERO need to extend Mark Teahen in the first place. One of the most bizarre moves in the KW regime, and supposedly 90% related to Buddy Bell pushing for it. And speaking of prospects, Chris Davis and Pedro Alvarez (watching the Pirates game now) are perfect examples of two prospects that took a LONG time to come around, along with Alex Gordon. It's why the Royals will most likely have Hosmer/Moustakas bust on the Royals completely before they dump them.

Morel=combination of the actor Edward Burns and Gary Gaetti

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 02:32 PM) With Tex officially out for the season, Konerko seems like a perfect fit for the Yankees. Does anyone know if that catcher they have, C. Stewart, is any good? You're joking, right? (I'm assuming this is "tongue in cheek" humour). Chris Stewart came up through the Sox system. I've heard that Nix kid would be a pretty good utility infielder, too. (Since we don't apparently need to rest Alexei all season long).

Balta should be excited to see Morel back in the big leagues.

If I'm the Tigers, I would take Glen Perkins before I would go after Addison Reed. Depends on their scouts, GM, and players...they're equally familiar with both players.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 12:30 PM) The Jackson/Teahen/Stewart/Frasor whatever deal had much more to do with getting out of Teahen's contract than anything else. The fact that Stewart was a live, decent arm was an added bonus. So then, by that theory, Edwin Jackson was worth about 1/2 of, say, Jeff Keppinger. I think because of the way Teahen just disappeared from the majors, we're now undervaluing what some scouts thought about Zach Stewart at the time of the trade. Because when the subject of Keppinger comes up as a "waste of money," nobody really makes a big deal about it (that at some point, we're going to have to use the leverage of an asset to get his salary off the payroll)...yet essentially we traded Daniel Hudson for Mark Teahen in the end because we didn't win anything with Jackson.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 12:39 PM) Excellent example IMO. I think we should compile the list of for sure sellers and their possible closers for fun. I think the following teams will be sellers in a few weeks: AL East: None. AL Central: All 4. AL West: Mariners, Astros, probably Angels NL East: Marlins, Mets. Phillies are in it so I say no NL Central: Brewers, cubs. NL West: None So I see 10-12 teams that would sell relief players. Maybe we could each take a team and analyze their bullpens and actually see where Crain and Reed rank. Lets take a quick look at the cubs. Off the top of my head, now that they DFA'd CM, Kevin Gregg and James Russell are probably the nicest pieces. Whoopteedo! BREAKING NEWS: "Tigers fans construct statue of Owner ILitch in response to news of Kevin Gregg acquisition for playoff run." 1) Perkins, Glenn (most familiar with AL Central, LH, so that might be a minus to some in match-ups, plus dealing with a team in the division again, like the Delmon Young move, or Liriano to the White Sox) 2) Steve Cishek/Addison Reed Steve Cishek rhp 1 year/$0.505M (2013) 1 year/$0.505M (2013)re-signed by Miami 2/19/13 1 year/$0.48M (2012)re-signed by Miami 3/2/12 1 year (2011)re-signed by Florida 3/1/11 1 year (2010)contract purchased by Florida 9/20/10 drafted by Florida 2007 (5-166) (Carson-Newman College) ML service: 1.143 4) Papelbon (based on contract ugliness) 5) Betancourt (based on the fact there's no way an AL team like the Tigers would dare risk him as closer) The market for closers could focus on Glen Perkins and Steve Cishek if Jonathan Papelbon and Rafael Betancourt are unavailable, tweets MLB Network analyst Peter Gammons. Teams like the Tigers and Red Sox are potentially on the hunt for late-inning help, but Gammons says to expect a high price on Perkins and Cishek. Alex Speier of WEEI.com took a look at Boston's closer situation today. GM Ben Cherington did not rule out the possibility of dealing for late-inning help, but also said that the club had internal options. Buyers should not expect Papelbon to be available, Gammons further tweets. He cites an unnamed GM as saying that the Phillies are unlikely to deal their closer or star pitcher Cliff Lee given "their pending TV deal."

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) I was going to post this, but you know he'll say they were in A ball and that you're forgetting Zach Stewart. Thanks.

Alex Rios, White Sox: With the White Sox likely joining their fellow Chicagoans from the North Side as solidly in the sell camp, Jesse Crain, who has been one of the best relievers in the game this season, is sure to attract a ton of interest. But if the Sox really get frisky at the Deadline, then Rios could be changing teams again, too. Where once the Sox looked foolish for taking on Rios' salary from the Blue Jays, the $13 million he is owed in 2014 if he's traded doesn't look so bad when he's banging out a .284/.344/.472 slash line. And this is not a mathematical mirage, for Rios had a bounceback last season, when he hit .304/.334/.516. Throw in a '15 club option, and making a play for Rios doesn't look nearly as crazy as it did when the Sox claimed him off waivers in August 2009. And Rios isn't the only one on this list who has resurrected his reputation. Alex Rios on the "sneaky" trade deadline candidates list at mlb.com.

One thing's for sure, please don't trade for any more Blue Jays minor league pitchers at the AA/AAA level.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) 5 career starts vs the White Sox. 3-0, 2.48 ERA, 0.80 WHIP, 32.2 IP On top of that, he doesn't deserve a 5.76 ERA nor an 0-9 record with the way he's pitched. Looks a lot like loads of lousy luck. edited to add alliteration Looks literally like lots of loads of lousy luck.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 09:50 AM) I agree, but they tend to happen less in baseball and usually not on this scale. Usually it is something a 3 month rental for a low level prospect (Liriano for Escobar), not really multi-year impact players changing hands. If its the only deal they can get, I am sure they probably will consider it pretty hard, but if they can make a deal elsewhere that will be good enough, they will take that over the any deal from the White Sox. And Pedro Hernandez, who they just sent down again.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 08:39 AM) I understand what you mean, but I don't think it's accurate to say that MB has ever had good "stuff." I think it IS accurate to say Buerhle had both very good control (locating) and very good command (control of movement). I think people usually mean velocity and sharp break when they refer to stuff. But the great change-up was always a plus pitch. However, no, he wasn't in the same category as Floyd or 2005-06 Contreras or 2004-2005 Freddy Garcia or anything like that. He was just, for lack of a better description, a pure pitcher and not a thrower who was usually one step ahead of opposing hitters, always keeping them off balance and changing speeds. To be able to have 3-4-5 different fastball speeds (even in the 80's) is more important than throwing a flat 93 mph fastball over and over again.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 26, 2013 -> 08:35 AM) Man you really think opposing GM's are idiots. We'll see. They used to think that about KW at the time of Moneyball. Some still do. I do think he would already have overturned a post-game buffet spread if he was in that position still. Or disappeared to Egypt, Argentina or the Appalachian Trail for a couple of weeks, but it was never his style to hide from reality for too long. It was always to confront problems head on like a bull. We'll see how Hahn handles the challenge. It's going to be lots of "no win" trades, except for Crain. No matter what he does, he's going to be second-guessed, first-guessed and third-guessed.

If Michael Earley ever plays more than 100 games in the majors for the White Sox, I will gladly ban myself for life from SoxTalk. There...you have something to look forward to.