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QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:51 PM) Yep, exactly. All those people questioning our fandom and being so visirol about us rooting for the Sox to lose now get to bathe in the reward of having Carlos Rodon on this team. We were sitting at like pick #11 before myself and others decided to bite the bullet and root for Sox losses. Now let's see who goes #11 to Toronto and ask everyone if they would trade Carlos Rodon for that person. The answer is going to be f*** NO. VITRIOL/IC?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:53 PM) +1 ( times fifteen thousand ) Be careful what you wish for if Rodon ends up with TJ and Hoffman's coming back at #11 in 2016 and mowing down hitters and looking like Justin Verlander. Time will tell.

Solid pick for the Phillies. Nola is a bit smallish, that had to be one of the concerns. Aaron's stuff isn't exactly comparable to Peavy. He's not a Cy Young type of arm, but probably better than Leake. Hoffman for sure to the Blue Jays at 11 still?

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:46 PM) I think we are ahead of what everyone expected.. Our pitching rotation could be awesome in 3 years with Sale-Rodon-Quintana-Danish... Oh man! Too bad Erik Johnson has fallen off the face of the earth, but we also can take a Haren/T.Hudson/Feldman/Beckett/Hughes/Kazmir/J.Johnson type for 1-3 years to fill in the back-end now. The second or third tier after Scherzer/Lester/Shields....then Masterson would be similar to Garza/Santana/Jimenez, although younger.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:42 PM) It's still sinking in, just best case scenario. This is going to be an incredibly interesting draft to revisit in 5 years. We might be saying "what if" if Kolek becomes an ace, but at least they can't be accused of passing on him. All of the TUC posts in the last week were wasted hot air in the end. Nola probably ends up 7-12 where everyone was projecting him for the last couple of months. Wonder if they have a shot at Finnegan at 44 with all the shoulder concerns? That might cause him to want to take the guaranteed money, rather than risk losing even more if his shoulder goes.

QUOTE (woods of ypres @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:38 PM) How is Jackson falling this low? $$$ demands? As soon as the Marlins passed and went with Kolek, he got pushed back. Basically, the same thought process with how Tyler was going to fall back to 8-11 if the White Sox didn't take him.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:36 PM) Nah, they want a middling colllege bat apparently. Gammons, senile as he is, seems pretty convinced "he's the most advanced college bat". Uh, no, that's Jackson. Isn't Jackson in hs? Some say Zimmer, some say Pentecost, there's a lot of different opinions. Conforto, etc.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 05:32 PM) Better question, has a team with a decent offense and a 1,2,3 as good as Sale, Q, and Rodon (could be) ever failed? I mean that's like Braves 90's all over again dominant front line staff. And Danks looking like Glavine Lite if he can learn how to pitch with diminished velocity. Let's just hope Rodon/Sale don't end up like Steve Avery, haha.

Wasn't everyone basically saying Pentecost was the only one likely to stick at C of the top 3? They already have so many bats, Bryant/Baez/Soler/Rizzo, etc. Unless he's going to stick at catcher, it's not a very good pick. Where are they going to play all those guys?

Just glad it's over. Let's start to work on getting that fastball back to a plus pitch, and improving the change-up. Cuban Connection adds #5.

Holmes sounds like Gordon Beckham... Dylan Bundy comp? I don't think his stuff is that electric, time will tell.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 01:55 PM) I'm not fond of Nola's arm slot, not a stretch to see him having trouble getting lefties out. Thanks Ptac.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 08:46 AM) Almost every time fathom makes a post about how bad Davidson is hitting, he hits a home run. Keep it coming! I should get at least some credit for badmouthing Leury and comparing him and Saladino unfavorably with Eduardo Escobar. What does he do? Hits his first MLB homer over the CF wall in Dodger Stadium. And another hit.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 09:34 AM) There is something to be said for the still good stuff, with better command and proven against more advanced competition. It's also one of the reasons it was difficult to judge Hawkins as a Texas prep hitter... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2086538...-draft-prospect You read this and you can understand why Aiken is Cooper's #1 guy. I always had the idea that Aiken was low 90's, but comfortable 92-93 at his age, with that frame....impressive kid. Driven/determined. According to this article, he's touched 98 before. Plus, he's going to fill out even more, one would think.

This thread will be fun to revisit 3-5 years from now.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 09:02 AM) Mike Leake, Nola is said to have higher upside than Leake. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2082398...ry=Aaron%20Nola

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 07:45 AM) Houston is taking a lot of heat for pushing their prospects to sign extensions before they bring them up. And the fact that one of those guys who didn't agree to an extension was subsequently sent to the minors is also a possible form of intimidation/career sabotage. Impossible to prove in a court of law, but word gets around quickly.

It's a bit premature to anoint Kolek as Strasburg/Clemens/Wood/Beckett rolled into one perfect package. There has to be a lot of red flags with a high schooler throwing 103 MPH. It's simply human nature to not trust those numbers at that age (holding up) three to five years from now. Let's just put it this way, there are a lot more hits than misses with pitching high in the draft. The fact is that only Longoria and Machado have been "good" picks there over a long time period should tell you something about the odds going more and more against you with each subsequent pick downwards from 1-1.

After a slow indoctrination in 2012, Nola emerged as a weekend starter after a dazzling eight-inning effort against Tulane 13 games into his freshman season when he limited the Green Wave to three hits and fired 25 consecutive strikes in one stretch. He was just getting warmed up. Eventually Nola climbed into the weekend rotation and finished with a 7-4 record, providing the foundation for one of the most dominant two-year stretches for a pitcher in LSU history. As a sophomore Nola was 12-1, not suffering a loss until the College World Series. This season he was 11-1, the lone blemish coming when he allowed a pair of solo home runs in a 2-1 loss at Florida. With the dust settling on his three-year run at LSU, Nola finished 30-6 (tied for fifth in career wins) with 345 strikeouts (third) and a 2.09 ERA (tied for fourth). Nola walked only 52 batters in 332 innings, logged seven complete games and was a part of 13 shutouts. "I've never played with a pitcher as dominant as he has been," said LSU junior Tyler Moore, a fellow Baton Rouge native who has played with or against Nola for over 10 years. "There was never a time when he went out there that we didn't feel like we were going to win the game." Which started with Nola's personality, approach and the way he was raised, Tigers' coach Paul Mainieri said. Like his older brother Austin Nola, a four-year starter at shortstop for LSU (playing in AA ball for the Marlins), the kid brother never took anything for granted. Always lauded as one of the hardest workers on the pitching staff, Nola set a follow-my-example tone from the time he stepped into the shoes as a leader last season. "Those guys know I'm not a big rah-rah guy who's going to say a lot," Nola said. "If I have something to say to somebody, it's usually just me and him." Don't mistake Nola's quiet nature and low-key, business-like style for not being competitive, though. Far from it. Tigers pitching coach Alan Dunn has been with Nola from Day 1 at LSU. Dunn was hired following the 2011 season and arrived on campus full-time a few weeks after Nola enrolled. From the beginning, the two clicked. And Dunn, maybe better than anyone else, sees a different level of intensity from the talented right-hander. "You'd better believe he's as competitive as he can be," Dunn said. "You can't be as good as he is and not want to win every pitch and every at-bat. He knows how to keep it in check, and that's one of the reasons he's been so good. He doesn't get too high or too low." That also ties into Nola's readiness for whatever level he winds up at next and beyond. Dunn spent 22 years as a pitching coach and roving instructor for major league franchises and has worked with pitchers on the rise at all levels. When he talks about Nola, he ticks off the list of items the 6-foot-1 fireballer already possesses. The raw skill -- "stuff" in the baseball vernacular -- has been there for years. Pitchability, or the skill of throwing any pitch he wants in any count has been mastered. Velocity, check. Curveball, check. Changeup, check. Perhaps as much as anything else, coachability is also in place for Nola. The relationship between he and Dunn blossomed from the beginning because when Dunn suggested something, Nola absorbed it, was willing to try it and then talk about whether it worked well or not. LSU pitching coach Alan Dunn (right) didn't make too many visits to the mound in Aaron Nola's three years, because the two were almost always on the same page. The urban legend of Nola never once shaking off a pitch Dunn called? "That is true," Dunn said with a smile. "But that's not because he was worried about upsetting me. It's because we think so much alike." .... Former LSU star Ben McDonald, a No. 1 pick in the 1989 draft, agrees. He has watched Nola blossom into arguably the Tigers' best since he starred for them. "Nola has been the best pitcher in college baseball the last two years," McDonald said. "His ability to command the strike zone has been unmatched. He will be talked about at LSU for many years to come. I think he will be a quick mover in pro ball and would not surprise me if he was in the big leagues next year." Another scout said earlier this season that Nola was good enough to step into the back of a big league rotation. Right now. That's not a notion Nola is ready to embrace. He won't run away from it either, though. ........ The thing that separates him from most is a humility that tempers that competitive drive Dunn has seen up close and personal. "I've got a lot of work to do before I'm ready for anything past this level," Nola said. "When you get up there, the strike zone is a lot different -- a lot smaller. And everybody you face can hit and hurt you if you make a mistake." http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2014/06/...ml#incart_river

Well, it's easy in the sense that the White Sox "stole" Quintana from the Yankees for nothing. And stole Contreras for next to nothing in a fading Loiaza. I still think of Aiken and Nola as guys who MOST LIKELY will be 2/3 starters and Rodon and Kolek as potential aces. In this situation, you have to roll the dice on whichever of them you prefer. The Astros believe Kolek could contribute as early as 2016, fwiw.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 07:16 AM) I wouldn't mind Nola, but I would not be happy paying him slot. If the Sox can save the equivalent of a third rounder by going with Nola, I would be OK with it. I am just worried that Nola's 94-95 MPH suddenly becomes 91-92 ala Erik Johnson. Try 88-90. Well, that's exactly what happened with Colt Griffin and the Royals a decade ago, they tried to change his motion, he never threw 100 MPH again and wound up blowing out his shoulder/labrum and disappearing from baseball altogether.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/mlb...rtsillustrated/

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 07:11 AM) So you missed the beginning of the play, where it got messed up to begin with. Beckham put Abreu in a bad spot, he didnt really force the runner back, and gave it to Abreu and forced him to come up the line after the runner. Of course he was hesitant, he shouldnt have been there to begin with Fair enough. I'm sure Balta got a kick out of it, though.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 07:03 AM) Did you actually see the play? Because Abreu really wasnt at fault for what happened. The runner froze in front of Gordon and forced Abreu to chase him to begin the rundown after Gordon threw the ball The MLB.com highlight picks up at the time that Abreu first has the ball, and before Ramirez ends up throwing to 3B to try to pick off Gonzalez (and that's only because the initial call was reversed that it was a highlight in the first place). So all I'm seeing is a very hesitant Abreu running the baserunner a long ways in the wrong direction and seeming very indecisive about how long to hold onto the ball....hot potato feeling.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 06:57 AM) Yeah, if only the Sox had a guy with a track record of teaching things to pitchers. If you're facing hitters and the crowd's cheering when someone can actually foul-tip your fastball, why are you going to throw 2-3 other pitches to get him out? Just for the scouts? Everyone across the board says he shows flashes of above average curve/fastball/slider...he just has rarely had to use those pitches. Certainly hasn't had to master or perfect them at the high school level, especially pitching for a smaller school without as much competition as the AAAA/AAAAA schools. Also, he wasn't even really on the map until this year because he broke his arm last year...so it would take a little getting used to having every single pitch scrutinized like what Rodon's been going through for the past 18 months. How many times has Rodon been on ESPN 2/3? Kolek was elated just to meet Nolan Ryan for the first time.