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QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 08:01 PM) 2-0, 2K and 2 hits allowed by Mitchell in a successful debut! Hopefully he has a better career with the Sox than Jared.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:56 PM) Interesting read. Not so much directly a comment on gun reform as it is gun/rap/gang culture. Or the "gun/rap/video game/gang culture" is the scapegoat that masks the real debate. In other words, if the person who committed the crime was Joe Borchard, a Stanford player and son of a migrant/farming family...then it would totally change the media slant and we'd actually have to ask more penetrating/probing questions about guns.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:54 PM) Anderson with 8 strikeouts in 21 ABs after having 12 in 182 during his juco season And contact was supposedly one of his strengths. Well, that "promotion" to start the season in Kanny instead of Great Falls will always be questioned, no matter what happens statistically.

Fire Walker, er....Manto, er Bell.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:31 PM) haha! Sack packed with SEMO? Finding SEMO?

QUOTE (BPK @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:28 PM) He was completely overwhelmed in both of those Ks too. Just wandering aimlessly through each at bat. Are you there, physically, watching him? Let's go guys. The goal is to have longer minor league threads than Game Threads for the White Sox. That will be a telling indictment of this season for the front office to consider. That there are quite a few Sox fans who care about the minor league results than anything happening in Chicago. It's definitely more interesting and compelling. Especially the Hawkins situation.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/941601...eath-odin-lloyd

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:21 PM) Unless it's Barry Bonds when he was incredible, you never walk a guy "intentionally" with the bases loaded. Joe Maddon disagrees with you, lol. Gordon has absolutely been their best hitter, and Escobar has been garbage this season. What he did, despite everything that happened that inning....it SHOULD have worked out for Crain. (I know, this is like Greg's analysis after the fact that if we won, the moves were good/great, if we lost, they therefore were bad/unsound).

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 07:15 PM) Cheap index funds with minimal fees are the way to go. Jack Bogle (Vanguard) has written a ton on this subject. Paying fees/load upfront and excessive managing or churning of a portfolio makes nobody rich but the fund companies and managers. The average, mom & pop investor, gets screwed out their return over time.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 03:21 PM) I only got to watch the replay but that ball looked like a bad hop. BTW how did all of those men get on base before that? Part of it was deliberately pitching around Gordon to give up a run (that's my opinion). Then you just had some bad luck with Crain fielding (one of the better overall athletes on the team)...it's not like he was hit around. I know the 2nd single of the inning just kind of plopped in there as if it was deliberately thrown from home plate. My perception is that he was deliberately giving up the streak and thought Escobar was an easier out, the right play statistically. But Crain had also thrown roughly 100 pitches in outings almost back-to-back-to-back...Ventura was REALLY pushing his luck, too. He's lucky that he's still an asset for the White Sox after how Robin has ridden him so hard (like Peavy last year).

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 22, 2013 -> 09:15 AM) Thank you, I was actually thinking more about the original set up of the account. At some point I will be taking my name off, ''gifting'' it to them. I am wondering if it would actually be advantagious to just leave me off from the beginning. I do like the opportunity to teach them about investing using my money but they would realize the benefits. The fund itself has modest fees. I am picking it for ease of use and low start up costs. I have consolidated almost everything with USAA abd for a small account like his, I am valuing conveinence over returns. I still don't see why you don't go with something as simple as pie like the Vanguard 500 Index, because you're teaching them how investments go up and down with the market, but, over time, gain XYX percent. It used to be 8-9% that we all shot for, maybe even 10%, but that has been corrected downward to 5-6-7% aspirations the last decade. At any rate, their management fees are the lowest in existence, and they don't churn their funds for profits/commissions or to make their funds overperform in the short-term by increasing long-term risk. One of the most valuable "learning moments" from mutual funds is the difficulty of NOT chasing hot funds or managers on a year-to-year basis. Of being consistent, like Warren Buffett or Oakmark Funds, for example. I know firsthand, because my father, when I was in my early 20's, put me into a very good (but conservative and non-sexy) fund callled Nicholas out of Milwaukee. I got frustrated with it in the 90's as everyone else (tech stocks) seemed to be passing it by, sold low and then bought a quantitative/futuristic trading fund from American Century chasing the "next big thing." It was dumb. Same with Bill Miller and Legg Mason. He became famous for beating the market 13 years in a row. Nobody was better or more celebrated. But if you jumped into Value Trust a decade or so ago (in this case, 13 years ago), you'd have amongst the worst results of any fund in the world. These are all "teachable" moments for young investors.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) six months ago we were at about 13150, now we're at 14733 -3.2% Not the end of the world. I'm more concerned about the tightening up of the shadow banking trend in China than anything going on in the US right now. When the Philippines is outgrowing China's GDP over the last quarter, there's legitimate reason for concern.

And it's not simple enough to go with the explanation of "he's getting older/regressing," because his offense and speed/aggressiveness on the basepaths are comparable or even better than last season. Or do we all except the "Ramirez has always been susceptible to wearing down because of his thin frame and he just hasn't been rested at all" theory?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 03:59 PM) If LA kicks in about $10 mill a year, then I think you might see a chance. The idea of the Sox taking on Ethier is just not likely whatsoever. That's where you wonder if KW would have been able to resist the allure of the magical favorite Hawk/Williams guy, like a Crawford or Carlos Gomez or Alex Cintron or Griffey, Jr., or Alomar, whatever the name is and whatever the point in his career. It's like Moby Dick sometimes. Seems like Hahn is more risk-averse, so far, but we can't know for sure for another couple of seasons. Maybe his hands are simply tied more than we even know at the moment. But I have no doubt, were KW in that chair, he'd be thinking hard about bringing Carl Crawford over and positing him as the 2014 version of Scotty Pods to change the line-up and flip it over. Or BJ Upton, in the Alex Rios tradition (although that contract's even crazy, but similar for the times they were signed).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 04:59 PM) If you weren't at spring training, i really think you are speaking out of turn. Like blaming Ramirez's error on spring training. Even if he didn't go to sprimg training, close to 80 games later, he should have it down. How is it if you practice it in February, you will be perfect at it in September, but then you forget all about it? The fundamentals are emphisized every day. The only place where I have seen it said they worked less on fundamentals in spring training this year is on this board by people who weren't there either year.if it were true, i would think someone, somewhere would hve mentioned it t least once. What other explanation do you have for a team going from roughly 15 games over .500 in September to 17-18-19 games under .500 in the course of six months? That's an incredible shift of over 30 games in the standings. Not unlike the last 2 months of 2006 and then on into the 2007 season. With basically the same players, other than 3B, Keppinger at 2B for 1/2 of 2013, and Flowers/AJ. It can't simply be, "well, Konerko got old and the magical defense/effect of Gordon/AJ was missing." That's like blaming 2006 and 2007 on the missing gritty presence of Everett and Rowand. There has to be more to it.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) The stronger correlation is the recent trends of closers. For whatever reason, in today's baseball, if you're not Mariano Rivera or Craig Kimbrel (MAYBE Soriano and probably Chapman down the line) any good year can be your last one. The longevity is just not there. EDIT: In any case, that makes little sense as an argument. You don't operate a specific way because you're afraid you're due to get screwed because you have been successful in the past. It would be the equivalent of never taking another position player in the draft...because we've been so terrible at it over the last decade. That's so counterintuitive, it's almost logical to some Sox fans.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-degrees-tr...-041914872.html Lots of discussion of the White Sox role in the upcoming trade deadline, with commentary on Peavy/Rios/Crain/Ramirez...nothing on Dunn/Konerko/Thornton/Lindstrom in this article. BTW, how much would anyone be willing to pay for Carl Crawford is the Dodgers heavily subsidized (not unlike the Thome situation) his deal? We desperately need a leadoff hitter, but it's a huge risk with a speed player nearing the downside of his career soon. They are going to play Puig and Kemp, so one of Ethier or Crawford has to go. I doubt the White Sox would make that kind of commitment (even with a treasury of cash coming our way), but anything is possible as they desperately need to change the chemistry and composition of the entire line-up. One big problem with Crawford would be the fact that unless Viciedo is moved to 1B/DH or traded, you'd have to play him in CF...with that severely limited arm.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 12:34 PM) People keep citing the White Sox history with closers, but what everyone fails to account for is that law of averages will eventually kick in there. Well, it definitely did with the health of the team, as soon as all the Herm Schneider/statistical outlier articles started coming out. Kiss of death.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 12:28 PM) I don't know why Cano's name even came up in this thread but unless JR dies in the next few months and we get some LA type management we are not signing Cano. Basically, we are not signing Cano. I don't see Quintana lasting long. You need to have an out pitch and Quintana doesn't have anything near it. How long is his nibbling/above average control going to let him succeed? He doesn't have stamina and he seems to s*** the bed every time there is an error or a couple base runners in the 5th/6th inning. Composure is definitely an issue with him. Don't you wonder why RV never messes around pulling him? I've been saying this a lot but I don't worry about Danks until May-June next year. Should surgery is serious stuff. He may be able to pitch right but he is not pitching at 100 percent. It may end up being a good experience for him to learn how to throw without his best stuff. With a marginal year and his big contract he should put in a great offseason of work, refine his curveball that is progressing nicely and come back stronger in '14. You really do need 12-18 months to fully recover. Get him at 89-92 with a little more zip on his fastball and another decent pitch in his repertoire and he should be throwing 200 innings with an ERA around 4. I would too and I would even go as far as preferring Johnson over Quintana. Johnson is obviously a wild card at this point seeing zero MLB time yet, but everything Quintana struggles with Johnson excels in. For one, his slider is a pretty solid (at least sufficient) out pitch (change coming along as well), his stamina seems to be strong along with a good frame and he has a presence out on the mound. If anyone hasn't seen Erik Johnson pitch you really should. He is a contender and fighter out there. He doesn't look scared like Quintana does that's for sure. And Quintana was very much the opposite of that last year, he was probably the coolest/calmest pitcher on the entire team, at least for 3 months, last season. The defensive mistakes and lack of offensive punch for some reason seem to have him rattled a bit this year.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 11:14 AM) Going to have to disagree with you. If they keep everyone, Quintana is your third best pitcher. It should be Danks, but he's been hit pretty hard this year. I would go with Santiago over Quintana if I had to choose which one of the two to hold on to.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) None of those names are Cano, are they? None of them are looking for 275 million, are they? In fact, besides Ellsbury, most of that list is players that are frequently injured and could probably be had on reduced contracts(not to say Ellsbury isnt frequently injured, but he is most likely going to get a big contract). Like I said, your pipe dream. Canos contract demands meet the reality of possibly 2-3 teams in the majors, The Yankees, Dodgers, and possibly the Tigers if Old Moneybags decides to complete his insane money spending spree And do you really expect (or believe) that we'll sign 2 or 3 of those names in the offseason? Because just signing one (say, McCann) isn't enough to put us back into contention....so it would seem kind of pointless, unless they go back into "all-in" mode again, which would be a huge financial risk/gamble.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) It's shocking that people would prefer to trade Rios over Reed. It's all about talent return. We can trade Rios and get "salary relief" but he's our best offensive player, currently. We might get a couple of decent prospects, but we're not going to get any future superstars, and it's doubtful one of them would even replace Rios' offensive production in time. The one thing the White Sox minor league system has done a good job of producing is relievers, as well as identifying guys like Jenks and Santos in other organizations. Unless we buy at top dollar on the free agent market, we're not going to replace Rios.....and Thompson needs to be in CF to be at his highest value as a contributor at the big league level. And I won't even get started on Hawkins.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 09:47 AM) Right. That's why there's no point in discussing it. Usually the type of team that tries to pry away your Sale is a contender who is trying to win right now. Usually those contenders want to add to what they have rather than dismantle themselves at the MLB level to make a deal. Texas is really the only team that I can think of that would be able to offer a huge collection of MLB-ready players. They have Profar, Martin, Perez, Olt, Grimm, etc. all either at the MLB level or with MLB appearances under their belts & MLB ready. If the Rangers offer all those guys for Sale then you probably have to make that deal even though you may not get back a player who is equally as dominate as Sale is, because there's just so much value there & there is the potential to get something really special with Profar. But it would have to be a Playstation deal & there's no point in soliciting a Playstation deal. You can't just shop everyone though or you're not going to get anything done. If the Sox send their scouts to go look at players they know they won't be getting because the team you're talking with is very unlikely to meet the asking price, then all you're doing is shooting yourself in the foot. It would be pretty surprising if the Rangers deal Profar...on one hand, they're desperate to get back into the World Series and finally win. OTOH, they have a tremendously profitable business model going now and they aren't wedded as much to a single season's results as they are putting out a team that has a CHANCE to win the World Series if everything goes right each and every year. It's that kind of trade (Shields/Davis for Myers/Odorizzi) which makes more sense than trading away 4-5 prospects for one superstar, when you're risking the loss of Sale vs. Profar straight up (notwithstanding the other 3-4 players) as is a strong possibility with the future Sale injury issue. The problem is that KC gave up too much and punched a hole in their future offense...which is ironically their biggest weakness now. Why they blocked Myers by signing Francouer to that extension, we'll never know (it was about as wise as the Teahen and Keppinger deals).

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) Alexei just needs to go to a contender. He's so much like Uribe it's crazy, neither of those guys can play on s***ty team and keep that same level of focus. Put them on a winner & it's a totally different player. I imagine any team looking at Alexei seriously would understand that also, so I'm not sure his errors and mental slips make him much less desirable. But he's pretty much been the same player offensively since 2009...except with declining OPS numbers on a year by year basis. Maybe we need to do some research into his 2009 and 2011 defensive performance and compare it with 2008/10/12. Offensively, he's been one of our better hitters and stolen base threats, just not as much of an XB threat as before. Your argument is that playing on a winning team has more of a concentrated effect on his defensive performance?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 24, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) I believe that Cano pipe dream is yours and yours alone. Either way, the White Sox can choose to be major players in a free agent market that is likely to include Brian McCann, Shin Soo-Choo, Curtis Granderson, Jacoby Ellsbury, Chase Utley, Kendry Morales and more. Then I'll quote Jake's article from yahoo. Aren't all of those players pipe dreams as well? What reason do we have to believe that the White Sox will try to spend their way back into contention? As (arguably) none of them will come on board and be part of a rebuilding club unless they receive assurances that we'll bring in at least two more everyday players to provide us a legit shot at competing in 2014, or, at the worst, 2015.