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QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:20 PM) This trade suggests two things: (1) The Sox weren't nearly as high on Hudson as they'd led us to believe (or believe that his mechanics make him injury-prone). (2) Kenny subscribes to the school of thought that making a deal at the deadline (even if it doesn't really help the team much) has a positive psychological impact on the team. (I imagine that the Griffey trade of two years ago would fall into this category as well.) 3) We have more money to play around with this year and next than previously thought 4) KW is planning on trading someone completely unexpected to create salary space (Danks/Floyd/Buehrle) 5) Our chances to win the next two seasons are better with Jackson 6) Cooper likes Jackson more than Hudson 7) There is some concern about Peavy coming back 100% in 2011 and being ready from April 1st

That doesn't mean that the Nationals might not be looking at Flowers at 1B already...anticipating him coming off catcher.

QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:16 PM) Uhhhh? Replying to someone who said they'd trade our entire farm system for Dunn. My reply was that I wouldn't even trade BOTH of those players together in the three combinations/permutations.

He let go of Jaime Torres...that was his original agent, yes.

I also wouldn't give up Mitchell and Viciedo, Mitchell and Flowers or Flowers and Mitchell EITHER.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 12:02 PM) The Sox are not getting money back for Peavy's insurance or from last year's trade!! Why would they tell anyone if they were? How would it be to their advantage competitively?

Has anyone ever thought that MAYBE JUST MAYBE the White Sox are getting some money back for Peavy already this season, they just don't want anyone to know about it? It would be to their advantage to keep that kind of thing quiet. Why would JR hold back in signing Damon just to turn around and spend quite a bit on 2 months of Jackson if they weren't in a decent financial position? And you'd have to think SOME money would be coming back from the DBacks if we're giving them 2 prospects.

Jackson isn't a great move. If he stays, it does give us a MUCH better chance at reaching the post-season, and it adds one more pitcher in depth that could actually start a playoff game...as great as Freddy has been, I'm assuming nobody wants him starting Game 4 in NY or Tampa Bay.

Let's bring up another name. Daniel Cortes, or we can add Tyler Lumsden in for good measure. I remember when he was supposed to be around a Top 45-55 prospect in all of MILB. Hudson never came close to that level with most talent evaluators, let's be honest. I think because he was our lone bright spot among the upper tier starters, he became annointed as the payroll savior for 2011, but if he came up with that class in the late 90's (Jon Garland, Kip Wells, Ginter, Fogg, Barcelo, Buehrle, Rauch, Danny Wright, Jason Stumm) he would be the equivalent of Kevin Beirne or Aaron Myette. KW knows what he's doing in terms of pitching talent USUALLY. He's had his misses with the likes of Felix Diaz and Jon Adkins, but those were not made in the heat of a pennant race to compete, they were prospect returns on Lofton and Durham (thinking there would be no more draft picks coming back).

Well, I'm not surprised that the White Sox are throwing in the towel on Hudson. The only question is what becomes of Jackson, and who replaces him in the rotation...there has to be one of those Lilly/4th/5th starter types out on the market that KW already has put together a deal for to replace another starter. And Ozzie has always preferred veterans down the stretch in pennant drives (with Brandon McCarthy being one of the few exceptions). I think he'd prefer Paul Byrd to Hudson.

And if KW stayed with Hudson all the way through August and September and he fell apart and the White Sox were knocked out of the playoffs...quite a few would be second-guessing KW. I'll say this much, if the White Sox believed that Hudson was even close to as good as Brandon McCarthy in late 2005, they never would have made this trade, because the budget concerns just got more pronounced for 2011. That or the insurance policy on Peavy is already paying for this year (despite the rumors) and there's a tremendous amount of uncertainty from the medical staff and doctors about Jake's ultimate fitness for next season.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 11:13 AM) there is none Hudson has control issues, and has never pitched in a pennant race. Jackson's best career year was the in AL Central, and he knows most of the teams and personnel already. The only White Sox starters (prospects) to amount to anything recently have been Richard and Gio Gonzalez, and that's going back 10 years. Proven veteran >>> Rookie pitcher in the heat of his first pennant race Finally, if Cooper didn't think he could work more with Jackson than Hudson, he undoubtedly would have told KW to forget it.

Well, here we go again with the Cooper Will Fix Him posts. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what we're left with on Saturday afternoon.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 10:32 AM) I think if we got Edwin, we'd get him knowing he's been better than his numbers indicate this year and doing it in a supreme hitters haven (much like the cell) and with the intent that we could spin him in the off-season for other parts or with an off-season with coop get him to live up to his potential. What have been the velocity readings on Jackson since the no-hitter? Has he sustained a loss since going almost 150 pitches in that outing?

Well, they'd really have to hope that Quentin would respond well to being the DH unless they planned to play Carlos at 1B? I'd love to have Choo, but they would have to settle the military service issue, and Westbrook's got a big contract...I would be leery about giving them our entire farm system, although Choo's arguably a better (and much cheaper) player than Ichiro right now, IMO.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 10:28 AM) That says it all. But didn't or hasn't he said the same thing about Gavin Floyd before the 2008 season on a number of occasions, Law that is? If Cooper really thinks they can fix someone and do it quite quickly, then I wouldn't be surprised if they went after Jackson hard...although they had a much better chance to get him if they wanted before the 2009 season IMO. Back then, it only cost the Tigers Matt Joyce.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 10:26 AM) Grienke may be traded if they want to sell high on him still as there is risk that he is starting to lose it again. Selling high on Greinke won't happen, not after the reports came out about decreased velocity and he was absolutely shelled by the Twins. His ERA is close to 4 now, maybe even a bit higher. Nothing like what they could have gotten had they traded Zack this past offseason.

QUOTE (hawksox13 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 10:22 AM) I'm trying not to get too excited about a big name coming. At times I think Kenny gets into discussions for a big name player just so he can say, "we'll I tried everything and we just didn't line up. I tried to get Dunn, I tried to get Fielder, but the sides couldn't come to an agreement". See, doesn't that sound good? Just like this past offseason when it came out that the Sox had worked out a deal for Roy Halladay but couldn't come to terms on an extension. It sounds good, but why bother working out the deal unless you are willing to pay him? What was the package for Halladay? Guess I missed that one.

You would think Roberto Clemente's or Shoeless Joe Jackson's ghosts were going to be playing tonight with all this hysteria. Hmmmm...I'm voting for Z. Greinke or Felix Hernandez.

Without a Top 10 pick, except for Beckham....Broadway and Borchard were fairly close, right? We had some pretty bad teams in the late 90's as well, would have to look it up. http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/history/_/team/chw Bobby Seay was #12 and went unsigned as a first rounder...Borchard was 12, Brian Anderson and Broadway were 15, the forgettable Scott Christman was 17.

That Greg exists? Or that peace exists? Maybe it's the QUADRUPLE VORTEX THEOREM brought to life...and we're now seeing its Butterfly Effect as it sweeps across the planet like the White Sox through the Mariners, the Blue Jays through the Orioles, like Sherman's March to the Sea.

Garcia in the MVP of this team. I think I heard the best call in the history of the post-game. The caller wanted to deal Hudson and Flowers/Viciedo for Dunn...the thinking is that each player is like a cracker (Saltine) and that when you break them in half...you can put butter, ranch sauce, guacamole, BBQ, on each and combine them for a taste explosion, I THINK... So, in the end, if you combine Rios, Quentin, Paulie and Dunn, it would create the dreaded "QUADRUPLE VORTEX" EFFECT and the White Sox would never lose a home game again...Inception would be made explainable...droughts would end end, worldwide environmental damage would be reversed, basically, Adam Dunn is the last BAT-BENDER, or something like that. It just made me laugh, the caller inquired, "Haven't you ever done anything like that?", to Rongey, and he responded with a really irritated/deadpan/sarcastic, "No."

QUOTE (dielac @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 09:16 PM) Why were they playing him so close to the line? Because 90% of the time Ichiro just dunks or gorks balls short and down the line. He's burned the defense twice now. LOL at the idea of Kotsay also going deep there.

First runs since May 7th...almost 1/2 of a season. Pretty amazing run for Putz, not unlike Linebrink in 08 and Hermanson/Politte/Cotts in 05.

Need to get Rios and Quentin going again...