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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 12:04 PM) Yeah, there were rumors all around about Soriano, I believe KW was in on it, and they sat on him, I believe they got draft compensation for him, but not sure what that turned into That must have been 2006, I remember the deal was Soriano for McCarthy...

Didn't the same thing happen in Washington with them sitting out trading Soriano before? Can't remember exactly what was the situation...I guess Bowden was the GM then, right?

There will still be a lot of deals go through in the month of August. I would hate to get desperate and overpay for Dunn today...we are in first place, after all, we're not chasing down a leader from 5-6-7 games back and having to jump over one other team.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:40 AM) Since when do we have money? Since yesterday, lol. Jeff Passan wrote an article lumping the White Sox together with the other mighty empires of baseball as one of the BIG 7, kind of like the accounting firms I guess.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:40 AM) What's Dunn's UZR at DH? About the same as Teahen's I think.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:34 AM) That's a battle that the Rays have an advantage in. We just have to hope that our assets fit their needs a little better. But a monetary battle? The McCourts needs cash more than they need top prospects, those aren't exactly liquid assets. The Rays were already burned by Burrell and you have to think Ramirez would much rather play in Chicago...although the Rays obviously have a great chance at the postseason. What are Ramirez's stat lines at USCF and in Tampa?

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:32 AM) We lost Cubano for Chapman, i don't know if we can afford to lose Bren for Manny. If Viciedo plays regularly for the rest of the season (which will never happen), he'll be back. By the way, what happened to kennyhatesprospects?

But we could start our own dedicated Sox Mann-Ly Talk Zone about those masculine hormone treatments or whatever...maybe even get a sponsorship deal out of it for SoxTalk?

If we gave them Kotsay and CASH, would that be enough to get the deal done? JUST KIDDING. I think Ozzie might have a heart attack if KW traded his beloved TMK.

So if you're the White Sox, does giving the McCourts $5 million right now, today, cash on the table...and Chase Blackwood, get you Manny Ramirez for two months?

That's where it all comes down to how desperate are the McCourts to get out of that $15 million, how much can KW offer, how much of it will be deferred and how much in "present dollars" (would the Sox give up) and would there be any prospects going to the Dodgers. They have to give the Dodgers SOMETHING, it can't just be a monetary transaction.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 11:06 AM) I was talking about us coming up empty. Mike Rizzo basically f***ed this deadline over for us. We won't know the answer to that question for a long time. Not until at least 3 pm, probably much later into August....and, longer-term, until we see how the careers of Viciedo, Hudson and Flowers turn out. Bringing Dunn in would practically mean the end of Konerko's White Sox future, and what would be the odds of keeping him? Then, are we really confident in getting any payoff from those draft picks before 2012 or 2013? Is it even 100% guaranteed he's going to be a TYPE A FA?

if Ramirez does not opt out, he receives $5M in 2010 and $15M in 3 installments of $3,333,333 each on June 30, 2011 and 2012, and $8,333,333 on June 30, 2013 I don't know what he did, must have added $3.33 million from 2011 and 2012 together? That equals $6.7 million, but doesn't take into account 2013 monies owed.

Is Joe Borchard available? Carl Everett? Timo? Bring back someone from 2005! Crede for DH. KW, get it done.

Wow...I can understand why the Dodgers wouldn't just give Manny away, after having had previous disappointments with Pierre and Andruw Jones. That would be a bit ironic if we ended up with three former Dodgers outfielders, all players they had to eat contracts on...even more amusing, since the McCourts are fighting over every last penny supposedly and the White Sox are seemingly flush with cash.

Great, what brilliant ideas will they come up with next, Bonds and Palmeiro? Sosa? Seems a bit far-fetched.

Mark Teahen says hi! No, I don't like the idea of waiting on Mark to "save" our offense, either. It's a nice thought, but I'm far from counting on him to contribute much the final two months.

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 10:19 AM) I don't understand this trade. Edwin Jackson has ALWAYS been severely overrated in my opinion. I would take Daniel Hudson at this point in this career with his low contract 10 times out of 10. Why are we going to pay Edwin Jackson 8M in 2011 when we could have paid Hudson something like $600K. We could have used the 7M difference on other players where we have a need (such as 3B, DH, or 1B if PK leaves). Horrible. 1. Because they feel Jackson gives them a much better shot to win this year and next... 2. They feel that Hudson will wipe out the bullpen with too many early exits, largely due to command issues and elevated pitch counts. 3. Cooper and KW saw something they didn't like in Hudson and decided to sell as high as possible before the air was out of the balloon.... 4. The White Sox actually do have the money to spend, or JR wouldn't have allowed it...and you have to know that JR was also taking into account how this would impact bringing back two of his favorites in Konerko and AJ. 5. We have Flowers/Teahen/Viciedo to DH 6. We can move Quentin in to 1B as well if he doesn't adjust well to possible DH duties 7. We can always bring Castro back 8. In addition to Vizquel, Teahen and Viciedo for 3B, we also have Morel as a possibility

Actually, Duensing, Slowey and Baker have been pitching quite decently since their rotation imploded before the break and they were forced to demote Blackburn. Pavano and Liriano have been excellent. THAT SAID, their competition has been the White Sox, Indians, Orioles, Royals and now the Mariners. With Capps, Rauch, Guerrier, Crain and Mijares, they've got a pretty good pen. Still not as much firepower as the White Sox, but arguably they're more solid at the back end than we are with Jenks (unless Bobby consistently flashes the form of his last time out the rest of the season in his drive for a new contract from SOMEONE). Actually, Capps looks like he could be Jenks' younger, slightly more fit brother without the silly dyed goatee.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 08:45 AM) BTW off topic, the wife won't be joining me on my work trip next month to Vegas. Hopefully Tiger Woods and Zach G. from THE HANGOVER won't be part of your travel party, either.

9:42am: The D'Backs will also receive reliever D.J. Carrasco, reports MLB.com's Steve Gilbert. Carrasco has $336K plus incentives left on his contract this year, and he's under team control through 2012. He should be a useful piece in what figures to be a revamped bullpen for Arizona next year. Anyone want to bet that KW also talked to DiPoto about bringing DJ over to the DBacks? That's the kind of advice that GM's appreciate...I have no way of proving anything, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:53 AM) the reason is that a pitcher has 4 days in between starts to work with coop - hitters are out there every day. if they're in a slump, it's harder to break out of it because there's so much pressure to turn it around the NEXT day. I imagine it's harder for a coach to fix mechanics and such because of the same reason. an 0-16 over 4 days will get you benched. Not much time to work. Not if you're Mark Kotsay.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 09:18 AM) You certainly cannot believe Greg Walker gets a pass and the pressure is on Cooper. That really is beyond a reach. Supposedly KW said they noticed a flaw with Jackson. Maybe its just talk, but he was pretty good in the AL in 2008 and 2009 and can bring it up there at 97. Who knows, maybe if Peavy is healthy and Freddy comes back next year, Jackson is a closer. I'm only asking this...have we ever acquired a hitter on the advice of Walker, because they noticed a mechanical flaw or adjustment holding them back? Now if this happened with Rios or Quentin or whoever, that's great...I just never heard about it. With Cooper, they have found the flaws in Thornton and Floyd pretty quickly (not sure about Danks) and it seems they have an idea what advice they want to give Jackson too. The White Sox have been playing over their heads for weeks, the offense is actually looking, at worst, at least middle-tier in the AL and nobody could make lemonade out of Jones and Kotsay, I am just curious why it's easier to "fix" pitchers than hitters? If you searched the database, how many COOP WILL FIX HIM posts have there been since they days of Loiaza and Marte? I would guess hundreds, if not thousands...

And the Twins paid a steep price for Capps, because they only control his rights for one more season after this...and he will be highly compensated next season. They gave up a premium prospect more highly valued around baseball for a reliever, when they've done just fine with Rauch. Sometimes, you try too hard to improve and you end up changing the roles of almost everyone in the bullpen, it doesn't always go the way you think. I think unless your ballclub has been giving up numerous games at the back end due to your closer, you should never trade away a premium prospect under team control for six years without getting an everyday player or at least a starting pitcher back...yes, Mauer plays the same position, but there's no guarantee that he will even stay healthy and be able to catch down the line. In order to preserve his power and hitting stroke, they might be better off parking him at 3B, 1B or DH. Yes, he's paid $184 million because he's one of the three best hitters in baseball AND a Gold Glove catcher, but for how long? We improve our ballclub far more with Jackson than the Twins do with Capps, especially if Cooper already has noted the mechanical flaw.