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Long-term suck seems to be the main pillar of their rebuild. Not much brilliance in that, imo.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 9, 2014 -> 12:54 PM) Salty would have never signed at that price elsewhere. He took a well-documented hometown discount to go to Miami. Yes, I would have been on board to bringing him on at that price but that opportunity was not afforded to the White Sox. He would have cost only marginally more to come here. People put WAY too much on his playoff benching - ridiculously so. And now back to the thread...

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 9, 2014 -> 12:42 PM) Sadly, no. Team would be thrilled with .500 IMO. And my opinion is we'll finish about 10 below still. If we're going to be a little below 500, it would be good to finish with the 10th worst record to protect next year's 1st rounder. I think we'll be going after some FA's with QO's next offseason.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 9, 2014 -> 12:24 PM) Brian Balta (Balta1701) was live at a couple Barons games recently, and took a whole bunch of new prospect videos from various angles. Lots of significant prospect names in there. Go to the channel and check out the new videos. We now have over 100 exclusive videos of Sox prospects that we have taken ourselves on that channel. You can subscribe to it, and be emailed when new media goes up. Brian will be writing some analysis of what he saw for the blog. But for now, you can look at the raw footage. Enjoy. Thanks guys, much appreciated.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 9, 2014 -> 07:07 AM) I'm still salty over not getting Salty at that price. I don't think anyone ever doubted that Ruiz would be good, just that we didn't want a stopgap solution. Don't even get me started. After the inevitable Flowers regression, we're going to give up a boatload trading for a lefty or SH catcher who probably won't be as good. And I'll point out one last time that Salty absolutely bashes righties, which is about all we face in our division. And now I'll hold my tongue.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ May 9, 2014 -> 06:56 AM) More a point on how he obviously wasn't pitching well despite his low ERA and it finally caught up to him This. Haven't read the whole thread, but I haven't seen Cleto DFA'd/optioned/whatevered/Francisco called up as I expected to this morning. Maikel has NO idea where any of his pitches are going. We could give him a chance to screw up one or two more games, or we could just say adios.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 8, 2014 -> 05:05 PM) I'm shocked. I honestly thought he'd have gone down for good by now. Still... it's coming... and frankly the sooner the better for our team's competition hopes... at this point if he goes down '15 is a wash too. You shouldn't be. He's only slightly more likely to get hurt than any other pitcher. Just pushed himself too hard, too early, imo. And so not so to the bolded. Getting actually injured absolutely does NOT make future injury less likely.

Upper level arms like Jaye letting me down. Need some pitchers to step up, others to get healthy. And EJ's velo at Charlotte nowhere near normal, despite the good results. Info within the article: http://www.southsidesox.com/2014/5/8/56940...rosstown-series

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 7, 2014 -> 12:48 PM) He doesn't have any leverage. He signs at slot or slightly over or he goes back to NC State. That's the deal. You're likely correct - just now there's a bigger dropoff between 3 and 4.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ May 7, 2014 -> 12:42 PM) Hopefully. Slightly concerned that this increases Rodon's leverage at #3.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2014 -> 12:17 PM) As a utility player, I would much rather see Garcia kept on the roster vs Semien. I want him playing every single day, whether that is here or Charlotte. If he isn't starting in Chicago, I want him starting in Charlotte. Let Garcia rot on the bench and pinch run when needed. The language coming from the coaches in this article from SSS would seem to indicate that they're not terribly concerned about Marcus playing everyday, implying he can learn what he needs to in the Bigs. The roster moves will be interesting. http://www.southsidesox.com/2014/5/7/56900...s-moises-sierra

QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 7, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) Been on the Medeiros train for a while. Would love him at 44. He also didn't have Mac Marshall taken, who I've seen much higher in other lists. Another high upside, HS lefty.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 7, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) He actually mentioned White Sox and salary cap in an article last year when he was saying they would be doing things the new way in baseball. Having teams give up bad contracts, and giving the Sox prospects to take on the contracts. I remember that - it was a reminder that I would never learn anything about sports from the guy. QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 7, 2014 -> 11:17 AM) The Score should drop the pretense and talk Bears 24/7. indeed. It always seems like they're laboring through anything else. QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ May 7, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) I guess I shouldn't be shocked at the replies coming from a Sox message board, or people that can't look at numbers/something objectively instead of their hate for Bernstein. The article was pretty simple. Talked about how Abreu is good, Rizzo is good, and hell, even Dunn has been good this year. But that only Abreu is getting any attention. He's the new guy, and home runs are sexier than walks. Not so complicated. Regarding hate for Bernstein, that's what he wants - complete disregard for his existence is preferable. The article DA is referring to should have been written in crayon. Incredibly uninformed for somebody who's considered a sports journalist. (there's another oxymoron)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 7, 2014 -> 10:35 AM) Seth Lakso ‏@SethLakso 17m Took Erik Johnson just six pitches to get through the fifth inning. He’s thrown 68 pitches, allowed three hits (all in 2nd) and K’d 3. Can we get some velo, Seth?

Doofus Bernstein just trying to stir the pot, which is his job. His complete ignorance of baseball has been obvious in previous articles.

He doesn't have my guy Medeiros taken in the first 41, nor Gillaspie. Nice. I'd be happy with either. I have to wonder if Kodi isn't on our radar, given our relative fearlessness of funky pitching mechanics.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ May 6, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) "I'll tell ya they don't teach them guys that in the islands.." Back to the game today, Any lineups yet? "How in the world does a Mexican lose the ball in the sun?"

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 6, 2014 -> 01:35 PM) Anybody who thinks differently than them. funny cause it's true, though Hawk makes me cringe sometimes with the stereotypes, too.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 6, 2014 -> 12:36 PM) I think it is safe to assume that he will be a No. 4 or 5-type starter at best. Maybe just a bullpen arm. Doesn't miss bats. Generally not good enough to get real excited about. It's definitely a disappointment.

For the record: I share concerns about the Dane's long-term health as a starter, but only slightly more concern than I would about any pitcher with more conventional mechanics. Let's look at the valid and semi-valid criticisms. He profiles as a reliever. Arodys Vizcaino of the Cubs, who's had two major throwing arm injuries, profiles as a reliever. Our guy's healthy as a horse, but it's really early in his career, so we'll see what he's capable of. He has those funky mechanics, he'll get hurt and then relegated to relief. Within the descriptions of the mechanics, you're hearing some of the analysts already saying things like "his delivery is surprisingly clean" - btw, this is nearly the exact verbiage you see in more recent descriptions of Sale (to reiterate, I will not be comparing Tyler's performance to Sale's and fully realize they are very different types of pitchers, and that Sale's measurable tools are much louder) His frame won't be durable enough for starting, though. He's listed at 6' 2", 190, and we're told that the height might be a little generous. He's 19, and likely to put on a few or more good pounds in the next year or two. He's already a giant compared Oswalt, Pedro, Lincecum, Gio and many others. But comps are really futile for the guy, just ask Laumann, so I'll try to avoid them. He's obviously not a power arm like those guys. This may not be such a bad thing, especially long-term. But really, he's not so tiny, and should be less so at the time of arrival. On a side note: he outweighs the Cubs CJ Edwards by 35 pounds, at roughly the same height - and CJ is already 22 years old, so his filling out is much more questionable. BA had no problem ranking CJ the 28th best prospect, one ahead of Abreu ( I know , what a joke), and obviously way higher than anyone else in our system, despite the clear durability concerns. As for next year's rankings, the Dane has a chance to do similar things as CJ at a similar level, or beyond, and will be doing so two years younger. He doesn't have the tools needed to be a TOR. Ah, those tools. The radar gun readings and numerical rankings of each offering in the repertoire. Again, he's 19. Just started throwing a changeup a year or so ago. Repertoires change. Bodies too, when you're 19. Kid is super-smart and super-coachable. His ego is appropriate for a guy who so rarely sees the opposition touching home plate. And as with defensive metrics being greatly enhanced by new technology, pitch f/x and enhanced tracking will cause the pitching tools to evolve. Concepts like Command, Control and Command of Movement are becoming more quantifiable skills by the day. When the metrics eventually catch up, here's predicting that several of Tyler's rate as elite. He doesn't have a ceiling greater than a #4 starter. Really? Do you think Laumann and Co. would have considered taking him in Rd 1.17, or even where they did in Rd2 if they believed that? They knew he wasn't a fireballer and they knew his mechanics were various degrees of scary, depending on who you asked. Sounds great, right? They also know he's truly unique, driven, competitive and special. Wouldn't be the first HS pitcher not to allow an earned run in a season, as he did last year, but he did it in one of the very best districts in the country. He only fell to us due to various fears and biases. I hope we can count on these once again in the upcoming draft. Regarding biases, obviously I feel my guy's getting a bit of the high hat in the prospect world due to not lighting up the radar gun, thus my earlier references to Uehara (just a very partial comp, but similar in not needing velo to miss bats). This bias exists. I'll say it again - the BoSox trotted Hanrahan, Bailey and everyone else they could think of into their closer role before giving Koji a shot. All they had to f***ing do was look at the back of his god damned baseball card to realize how good he was! Or they could have just used their eyes. Another effect working against the Dane, imo, is an inappropriate statistical averaging. Consciously or otherwise, we humans sometimes look at an outcome that averages likelihoods of various distinct outcomes as the most plausible, when it may not really be plausible at all. For instance, in my mind Tyler has three career outcomes that are far more likely than other scenarios, to the extent that I will neglect the other possibilities. He will either: -Suffer through injuries, durability issues and never have much of an MLB impact -Make it in the Bigs as a reliever, forced into the pen due to injuries, durability. Has a marginal to very good career in the pen. -Makes it as a starter, in which case he's way, way better than a #4 What I believe happens, is that folks do a form of averaging what they think are the probable scenarios, based on the perceived probabilities of each. Jumbling the three scenarios above could yield a 4th starter ceiling type of ranking, even though I don't even consider that as a possibility. There really should be floor and ceiling rankings for every player, with something like a likelihood factor for weighting, but I digress. A few of these things are working against Tyler, currently, and the rankings will lag behind his performance, accordingly. But getting dudes out is the loudest f**ing tool, and if this guy stays healthy, his stock will soar, and it will be a lot of fun for all. Or he could get badly injured in his bullpen before his next start, or get run over by a train, or lit up in Hagerstown.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 6, 2014 -> 08:18 AM) I have no problem with you believing that Tyler Danish is a top 5 prospect (or higher) in the White Sox system, I just don't want you to expect it to be widely agreed with. Truly don't care if anyone agrees currently, or not. Things change.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 6, 2014 -> 07:30 AM) Are you going to compare Tyler Danish to Chris Sale? Did not do that. Just that Sale was older than Danish is now, pre-draft, when a large percentage of pundits had him pegged for a reliever. These guys hedge and are inherently risk-adverse. Fortunately for us, Laumann and the braintrust are not. DL has said that they may have even taken TD in the first round, had they feared someone else would take him in between.

Bassitt and Lopez returning will be a nice boost. Bassitt should be back soon.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) As long as nothing is torn and he doesn't eventually need surgery, I don't care how long they keep him out this season. I almost have to wonder if maybe they figure it can't hurt their chances of staying in the protected-1st-rounder category.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 5, 2014 -> 04:05 PM) Late May or early June return it looks like by Hahn's comments. This seems excessively long. Something they're not telling us?