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It's completely pointless and utterly embarrassing that the Cubs are a focus of discussion here.

Team walks off the field after tonight's loss, to find Ventura huddled around about 50,000 used Kleenex boxes. His hat is barely peeking out of a massive pile of soggy tissue paper and whimpering can be heard at the center of this fluffy mountain. "Guys... The prevention hotline worked last night..." His words are broken by uncontrolled sobbing... "They said I needed to trust you all. Well I did and now what?" Eaton walks up to the pile and pats his skippers hat. With an encouraging tone he says, "Where's Drake when ya need him, skip?" A shotgun rings out. Blood, brains, and bone chips fly all over the room. Eaton, covered in red smut - says, "well, I tried."

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) Serious question: What would be the point of trading Quintana for Urias? Best case scenario, Urias turns into a pitcher as good as Quintana. Quintana, who already is a pitcher as good as Quintana, is signed reasonably for four more years. Urias, a rookie, has six years' control. So basically you can have Quintana for four more years, or a guy who might be as good as Quintana for six years. Is that two years of upside, mitigated by the bust risk, really worth it? Four years is a long time! With the condition that the Sox will be attempting to compete in 2018 or 2019 (which I think they will, even in a rebuild they're not going to punt more than a season or two), I just don't see the point in trading Q for a pitcher at all. If the Sox trade him, it should be for multiple impact bats. You need to get Urias, Pederson, and two more in order to mitagate that risk. You're looking to plug multiple holes with a Sale / Q trade or you don't do it. Period.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 03:20 PM) Driving up the price for Boston??? One reason I like the idea of trading Sale or Q during the deadline is you can insight a SERIOUS bidding war. Boston offers X Say I'll call you back Call Toronto- say Boston offered X - get them to offer X+Y Call LA - say Toronto offered X + Y - get them to offer xyz Call Baltimore and ask them if they can beat xyz. Get them to offer xyzz Call Boston, tell them you're willing to sell him to three other bidders unless they offer xyzzzz Let it be known that you're talking to their competition in the divisional races and in the playoffs. Rape and pillage their team.

Got my banana colored sling thong ready to rock as we root away for losses upon losses.

In other news, Rick Hahn's cell phone minutes exceeded 650 today in the past 12 hours.

One good thing that hasn't been mentioned regarding an asset of rebuilding: Soxtalk would be blowing up with rumors / discussion. I'm in. Bring it on.

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 10:20 PM) If you're serious about rebuilding, then don't trade any of the pitching. Trade all of the hitters except Morneau & Saladino as they are the only players who know how to work the pitch count. Get back hitting prospects who have demonstrated the ability to work the pitch count. 1.) Morneau is a 35 year old vet who isn't a long term answer and has yet to prove he's worth a roster spot 2.) See my post above about holes. We all love holes but not these kinds of holes.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Turner vs best pitcher in AL should be fun tomorrow I didn't know that Sale was on the Tigers

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 10:07 PM) Get that top ten pick 11th and falling right now. Lose em all f***ers.

On the other side of the coin, say we don't trade Q or Sale but do send the likes of Duke, Robertson, Fraizer, Lawrie, and Melky packing. Then, yes - until 2019 you've got a tits starting rotation of: Sale, Q, Rodon, Shields, Fulmer You've got the following fixtures in place with a barren bullpen as well: Shortstop, Firstbase, Rightfield. That means you still have to fill 6 holes. DH, C, 2B, 3B, CF, LF Say you concede Collins as a DH. Fine, you're still down to filling 5 holes. Bottom line - you can't keep that rotation intact and rebuild. Sad but true.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:51 PM) Some of those were absolutely laughable Bwhahahahhaaha. Uh... No. You're f***ing kidding me, Phil. Yea, sorry - thank you for playing. Keep trying. Then you suggest a one for one swap? A proven front line cheap and controllable player for an unproven minor league guy? Get outta here with that crap! I can't believe he gets paid to come up with this nonsense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:33 PM) If the Sox are truly looking at tearing down, the only meaning left to this season is evaluation of everyone who has long term value. Yea - if the tear down is on - f*** it. Lose every game for the rest of 2016 for all I care. That's the preference, actually.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:17 PM) Some trade thoughts. Melky Cabrera to the Giants for SP Tyler Beede and SP Adalberto Mejia Todd Frazier to the Indians for SP Tristan McKenzie, SP Rob Kominsky, and 1B Nellie Rodriguez Jose Quintana and David Robertson to the Rangers for 1B Joey Gallo, 2B Jurickson Profar, CF Lewis Brinson, and RP Keone Kela Zach Duke to the O's for SS Ryan Mountcastle Chris Sale to the Red Sox for C Blake Swihart, OF Andrew Benintendi, 3B Rafael Devers, 2B Yoan Moncada, and SP Michael Kopech Thoughts? I'd like to get at least one bad ass super front line young starting pitcher for sale / q Otherwise, I'd be stoked with all that s*** coming back

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:00 PM) About how long do you guys expect this rain delay to last? They said 45 minutes to one hour from when it started

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 07:39 PM) Look at the stats. They're ugly. Very ugly. Player 1 - .203 / .257 / .350 [ 53 wRC+ ] Player 2 - .266 / .323 / .423 [ 94 wRC+ ] Player 3 - .234 / .309 / .332 [ 73 wRC+ ] Yea. Ugly but clearly one of those players has no reason to be lumped in with the others or considered as "worse on the team".

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 07:14 PM) No, that title belongs to Garcia, Navarro, or Abreu. One of these is not like the others. Give me a f***ing break.

JB f***

At least Shuck runs like a mofo on a routine grounder

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 06:36 PM) You are really counting on multiple rookies to make an impact all at the same time. That usually doesn't work out well. Yea... They'd have other assets from the other trades not spelled out, would have one or two years to evaluate the young unproven guys in the majors, and would have plenty of room in their budget to add as necessary via free agency.

And boom

Shields looks so freaking tired right now

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) That is key to the whole thing. If you deal BOTH Q and Sale we are talking about filling multiple needs and adding much needed depth to thin farm system. 2019 could look something like this: CF - Benitendi RF - Eaton 2B - Moncada C - Lucroy DH - Collins 1B - Abreu 3B - Devers SS - Anderson LF - Pederson Rotation Fernandez Urias Rodon Fulmer Shields Bullpen Burdi Jones Other s*** yet to be determined Trade Q to LAD for Urias and Joc Pederson Trade Sale to Boston for Benitendi, Moncada, Devers, and 2 lower level prospects. Trade Fraizer, Melky, Robertson, Duke, Lawrie, etc for lower level prospects - a lot of pieces that will make up a bullpen. 2018 - Sign Lucroy 2019 - Sign Jose Fernandez

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 05:18 PM) It is hard to imagine that they would trade both Sale and Quintana. How would they rebuild a starting rotation, with both of those arms gone? One of them does indeed make sense, if they can fill several holes, in return. Say they trade both Sale and Q. You still have Rodon, Fulmer, and Shields. You're going to get back at least one - probably two frontline SP prospects like Urias and De Leon. You're also going to get some more projectable / further off SP prospects. We've also got Burdi, Adams, and Hansen. By 2018 you're also looking at FA options. In addition to these assets, you're also looking at adding a top flight CF, 3B, and 2B. Potentially you're filling 5 or 6 holes after creating two.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 01:58 PM) Joc Pederson has major potential. Sure does - but Eaton really seems like a consistent 5 WAR player on a good contract already.