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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 06:14 PM) Ultimately, regardless of the return, I come back to this thought - the Sox had 4 MLB starters with 2-3 more coming up the pipeline. You aren't going to deal Sale without a monstrosity of a package and, frankly, I don't think the odds of a deal for Sale have changed all that much. If the Sox are overwhelmed, they will move him; otherwise, there's no need for it at this point in time. That leaves you with Quintana, Danks, and Santiago. Quintana has been a revelation, but he also took steps forward last year. His ground ball rate went down slightly while his flyball rate went up slightly, but they are both still within solid, acceptable levels. His strikeout rate increased by 2 per 9 IP and he actually decreased his walk rate, so his overall K/BB increased by 1 (from 1.93 to 2.93). That sort of efficiency led him to strand a few more runners than he had the previous year while allowing him to throw more innings, averaging just more than 6 innings a start. The other nice thing about that is that his IP/GS increased in the second half, going from 6 exactly to 6.14. It's not a significant increase, but it's an increase. Further, his K/9 and BB/9 both improved in the second half as well. On top of that, his velocity increased across the board last year except for 1 pitch - his changeup, which lost half a MPH. I don't think people are going to complain about that. Quintana seems to be rapidly evolving into a #2 type of pitcher. He has significant value on the market, but probably moreso to the White Sox. He wasn't going anywhere without 2-3 legitimate prospects being included. Danks is coming off an injury-recovery season. He's owed something like $13 million per season over the next 3 years. Frankly, the idea of getting anything other than a team taking his contract off the Sox hands is ludicrous. He's also a nice bounce back candidate. He showed respectable velocity on the year (89.3), featured fantastic control, and exhibited a good ground ball rate. If his HR/9 regresses to the mean (16.8% HR/FB, up from 10.8% for his career), that immediately cuts runs from his ERA and adds outs. Further, if his stuff continues to recover, we could be talking about a high 3's ERA kind of guy with an increased strikeout rate. Considering you are going to get no value for him, keeping him is the right call with money in the budget. Rienzo isn't going to get you any sort of value - he's not that valuable of a prospect - and Erik Johnson and Hector Santiago probably have similar ceilings, but Erik Johnson has the advantages of a. throwing from the right side and b. having 6 years prior to free agency as opposed to 4. It doesn't make sense to trade either. That brings up Santiago. Santiago exhibits the ability to miss bats, as he throws multiple off speed pitches but shows off good velocity. That velocity is what throws hitters off. On that note, it's worth mentioning that his velocity this year decreased by one to one and a half MPH. If the Sox believe that to be a trend, that's reason enough to get rid of him. Beyond that, even when given the ability to start full time, in the minors, Santiago still did not pitch deep into games - he made 23 starts in the minors in 2011 and averaged [drumroll] 5 and a half innings per start. When starting in the majors, he has not been able to get to 6 innings. That is an incredibly vital number to get to because it cuts down on the usage of your relievers by an incredible amount - getting out of the 6th with ease means they aren't warming up or coming in during the 4th, 5th, or 6th innings when you get yourself in trouble. I'm sure this was something both Ventura and Cooper preached ad nauseum to him, and there were just no drastic changes made. Consider that he made 11 starts in the second half and threw 61.2 innings. His strikeout rate decreased in the second half from 9.38 to 6.71. His walk rate increased from 4.08 to 4.88. He started allowing more hits. His WHIP was 1.62, yet somehow, some way, he managed to put up a 3.94 ERA in that time frame. Tell me, do you want to sit here and tell me that a guy with a K rate under 7, a BB rate near 5, and a WHIP of 1.62 deserved to put up an ERA of 3.94, or do you believe he got lucky? I know my answer to that one. If the Sox wanted to get value for a starting pitcher, all roads led to Santiago. I like the kid and think he's going to be a good middle of the rotation guy, but I think your talking about a guy who compares favorably to guys like Jorge De La Rosa, Jonathan Sanchez, and Oliver Perez - good stuff, suspect control, and if they can reign it in, they're good; if not, it will unravel. Getting a guy with the type of contact, patience, and speed of Eaton for Santiago is great for the long-term prosperity of the White Sox. I always wondered how a Joker like you became a mod, but I finally see why. That is some great analysis. A+ my friend

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) So my next door neighbor, who has told me previously that she is out of work due to disability, has a couple different people who visit her 2-3 times a week, each time for no more than 10 minutes . . . No more than 10 minutes? Apparently she is very good at what she does

So either the Sox are trading a potential #2 starter for a 4th outfielder or the Sox gave up a #4/#5 starter for a starting CF with some pop Guess we just have to trust Hahn that option B comes to fruition.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 43s Crawford out 2-3 weeks. #Blackhawks That's not too bad. I'm sure Corey can use some rest and Ranaata can use some NHL live action.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) Jay Zawaski ‏@JayZawaski670 1h NHL Cap going up next season. Now, it's $64.3, next season around $70. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=695203&...vid=DL|NHL|home … Good, makes the Crawford contract sting a little less.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:46 PM) Interestingly Im not sure all of those teams are happy about how much they are paying those QBs this year. File under things that may you go hmmmmmmm. If only they had been lucky enough to acquire Josh McCown before paying those QBs.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:45 PM) Because he starts games. I love it when you analyze

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 12:08 PM) What about the Vikings? Cutler and McCown have only played 3 similar opponents. In each of those games McCown out performed Cutler. These are the stats. You tell me why Cutler didnt do as good against the Vikings. McCown had a rating of 114, Cutler 97.7. I guess its because the game was outside and McCown was inside? How many excuses do you want to make for a $15mil per year player? You are right, a game against Vikings shows who is the better QB. Flacco vs. Vikings - 64.2 Romo vs. Vikings - 90.1 Eli vs. Vikings - 81.1 Big Ben vs. Vikings - 90.6 Stafford vs. Vikings - 96.8 I guess McCown is also a better QB than Flacco, Romo, Eli Manning, Big Ben, & Stafford. Maybe the Bears should ask for a straight up trade, Stafford for McCown?

Skaggs/Santiago to LA Trumbo to Arizona Eaton to Chicago What an absolute steal for the Angels.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:42 AM) What about based on the game where they played the same opponent with the same team? Redskins: J. McCown 14/20 204 10.2 1 0 1-7 94.6 119.6 J. Cutler 3/8 28 3.5 0 1 1-6 0.1 8.3 Detroit: Game 1 J. Cutler 27/47 317 6.7 2 3 3-31 36.6 65.6 Game 2 J. Cutler 21/40 250 6.3 1 1 1-9 47.2 69.8 J. McCown 6/9 62 6.9 1 0 1-3 93.3 123.4 But you are right, lets give Cutler a blank check, because what if he is good. What I find funny is that people are making excuses for a guy who is going to want $100mil + at age 31 with stats that are worse than a journeyman. And you guys are just lining up to pay him. Cutler played the first quarter and a half vs WAS then got hurt. McCown played the second half where the Bears kept playing catch up. Cutler's stats @ Detroit where McCown hasn't played this year. Cutler played a whole game hurt (shouldn't have played IMO), then McCown plays one drive where the Lions are in prevent. Great comparison, those are all identical situations.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:36 AM) The other problem is that this makes DeAza essentially worthless...nobody's going to give up anything if they know we're going to be forced to trade him and Alejandro's salary's already going up to $4.5 million or so. He's not really a bargain unless he's projected as a starting outfielder. On the bench, MEHHHH....someone might take him off our hands, but we'd get very little to nothing in return. Definitely not the best way to maximize the return our trade pieces if all we get for DeAza and Santiago is Adam Eaton. The Sox have already proven they aren't concerned about a surplus at a position ruining trade leverage.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 11:24 AM) McCown has only faced one defense ranked higher than 21st. That was the Ravens in the rain and mud. Interesting. The 1st half of the schedule B.MC. (Before McCown) definitely had tougher passing matchups. Ranked by passing yards / game CIN - 8th MIN -30th PIT - 11th DET - 26th NO - 4th NYG - 13th WAS - 27th GB - 22nd DET - 26th BAL - 12th STL - 19th MIN -30th DAL - 31st CLE - 5th PHI - 32nd GB - 22nd

QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:35 AM) Cheers. God damn sensitive assholes. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:26 AM) Oh, Lilliy... https://twitter.com/BerniePleskoff/status/410429891700477952

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:28 AM) I presume this is just a rumor? It just says the Angels are targeting Skaggs & Cahill, it doesn't mean the DBacks will easily trade them straight up for Trumbo.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:03 AM) they showed a stat during the game comparing Manziel's numbers to Winston's. ESPN was showing 47 total TD's and 5100 yards so after you posted this I went to look at the stats and it looks like ESPN was comparing Winston 2013 vs Manziel 2012. I dont know why ESPN would bother comparing a candidate from this year to a previous year. With that said, just by looking at the stats then Winston shouldnt be the lock everyone is claiming him to be. He is a lock because Florida State is the only undefeated team. So often it's about the best player on the best team, not the best player in the whole country. (I'm not saying Winston isn't deserving, but the team aspect plays a huge part in voting)

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 11:37 PM) Hell of a game. It's amazing to finally see a Bears offense with this many playmakers. Alshon Jeffery should be a Bear for a long time. I fear that the Vikings game last week is going to haunt us. These last 3 games are not easy, but definitely could have a chance to win all 3. Still need some outside help, but if the Bears can win out, I think they get in. As McCown plays better and better, that Lions game will forever grind my gears. It was obvious from kickoff that Cutler wasn't 100% and he shouldn't have been out there. That game is the killer with the tiebreakers and the defense played really well and kept them in the game.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:39 PM) The Bears scored on every possession tonight except the last one (on-side kick). Pretty amazing. Yet I am sure ESPN will somehow blame Romo for this loss.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 10:04 PM) If I could trade Jay Cutler for a handful of defenders right now, I wouldn't hesitate As long as they aren't Cowboys defenders.

LOL Romo. It's 4th down, at least throw a jump ball.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:37 PM) McCown's almost thrown two picks so far in the second half. Two dodged bullets. I think he's been listening to all the praise in here and getting a big head. Back to the basics Josh.

That catch was f***ing unbelievable

When it's this cold, you can barely even drink your beer because it freezes.

Speaking of defensive coordinators, I said this last winter, but the Cowboys hiring Monte Kiffin made zero sense. His talented roster at USC couldn't stop anybody and he is getting so old. They are almost as bad as the Bears.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 07:51 PM) Mel Tucker needs to be shown the door at seasons end. Way too easy for Dallas. Not that I care if he stays, but with the current roster he has, I don't know what you expect out of this defense.