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Santiago's BB and K don't look bad at all. He's just given up way too many home runs for his peripherals to look good.

Not worth the wait!

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 29, 2012 -> 08:21 PM) Balta, I know what your response will be, but our offense seems so much more well-rounded with ODawg in that 9th spot... If he doesn't get on, he at least works the count. Morel more or less struck out on 3-4 pitches 40% of the time.

Nice outing by Humber. Bullpen should take it from here.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 29, 2012 -> 08:05 PM) Filthy slider by Humber...much better command as the game is going on He hung one there. Gotta get Matsui out. Pitch around him if you have to.

Good to see the offense come back to life again.

QUOTE (nhsamtmcspnut @ May 29, 2012 -> 04:37 PM) meow roof roof b****!

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ May 29, 2012 -> 04:45 PM) Looking at the best candidates for the starting 9, it looks like an early conspiracy with Texas Rangers fans may benefit the Sox, if they are game. -They promise to vote Konerko and either AJ and/or Dunn -We promise to vote Hamilton (no brainer) along with Beltre and Kinsler. The pitch being, why vote for those overrated/overspending bastards in NYC/Boston/LAA.? Maybe Cano is a little better than Kinsler and the Trumbo better than Beltre, but not so much so that they deserve it over the Rangers players. So, who has the phone number for their fan representative? I'd say Beltre's still a much better player than Trumbo. Trumbo will regress.

QUOTE (balfanman @ May 29, 2012 -> 01:09 PM) I don't think the Sox will finish behind them either, but I don't think that they are that bad. They gave the Sox fits when they were bad. It wouldn't suprise me at all if the Royals take the seasons series from the Sox. That's very possible. Our inability to beat KC has really screwed us over in the past few years.

QUOTE (balfanman @ May 29, 2012 -> 01:04 PM) I believe that Kansas City is well above 500 other than there 12 game losing streak, not exactly gimmes. Not saying, I'm just saying. They're still bad and I don't see the Sox finishing below them somehow.

QUOTE (iamshack @ May 29, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) The only thing I don't like about throwing all these numbers around is that they were profoundly influenced by the last 10 games or so. Certainly everyone's numbers have been influenced in that way, save, say the Rangers, who have probably been the most consistent team in the AL, but I think we need to see a bigger sample size before we start focusing too much on all of this. If we are indeed the favorite to win the division, it is because our division sucks, first and foremost. Secondly, it's because the Tigers have drastically underperformed to this point in the season. However, despite the fact that that could indeed last all season long (see 2011 White Sox), I think we need to expect them to start winning more ballgames. Let's get the starting pitching straightened out a bit, continue to win games at home, and continue to win series'. If we do that, everything else will take care of itself. That is the issue with stats that this point in the season, but hey, I was just giving him some material to say to his stupid Cubs fan friend.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 29, 2012 -> 12:51 PM) I looked at the numbers of PK-Thome-Dye in the 2006 season and I can't believe that team didn't make the playoffs. I've reached the conclusion that numbers don't matter. Look at the pitching numbers, you'll see why we didn't make the playoffs.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ May 29, 2012 -> 12:33 PM) Hes already admitted to this, he says both teams are garbage...he thinks the sox will still finish 4th in the division. My logic behind why this team will compete seems pretty legit to me. Ask him how they will finish 4th. He does realize that Kansas City and Minnesota are awful right? You don't somehow have a garbage team when you have the 2nd best run differential in the AL after 48 games. That just doesn't come out of thin air, you have to be doing something right. The Sox are 4th in the AL in runs per game and tied with the Yankees. Yeah, the Yankees. They're 5th in team OPS. They have the 5th best ERA+ and they're 6th in runs allowed. The Cubs? They're averaging a whole run less than the Sox on offense, good for 3rd to last in the NL. Their team ERA+ is the 4th worst in the NL. So you have one team that's in the upper third of almost every offensive/pitching category in the stronger league and then you have another that's in the lower 4th of everything in the weaker league. Ask him to enlighten you how both teams are somehow in the same garbage echelon. Please tell him to do some research before he speaks again.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ May 29, 2012 -> 12:28 PM) i posted this in response to my buddy whos a cubs fan calling this team garbage...."a year removed from being "all in" which was their attempt at winning a title. They got rid of Buehrle and replaced him with Chris Sale which is an upgrade (minus the innings). Replaced Carlos Quentin with Dayan Viceido which is at the very least a push. Replaced Juan Pierre with De Aza which so far has been a clear upgrade. Replaced Sergio Santos with Addison Reed which is an upgrade so far, and most importantly the replaced last years Dunn, Peavy, and Rios with the real Dunn, Peavy, and Rios....Thats my explanations as to why i think the sox will compete and at the very least not be "garbage" Is my logic really that off?? I mean its hard to believe you sox fans on here dont see this. His logic is off for calling this team garbage... Just tell him to look at his team. That is the definition of garbage.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 29, 2012 -> 12:06 PM) 15 games apiece against KC and Minny? That should be a nice buffer for our record. Well everybody....we hold the cards. That is nice. Or it could be an awful stretch of games we should have won, but didn't... History tells us that what I just said is very likely.

QUOTE (Brian @ May 29, 2012 -> 12:01 PM) A friend on Facebook already pulling the attendance card out. Sad. Cubs fans have been doing that ever since the Cubs series this year. They see that their team sucks a lot and they see the Sox playing well. They have no comebacks other than the attendance stuff. In previous years where both teams were kind of bad (like last year), I've had Cubs fan friends tell me that both teams suck and that winning against the Cubs is no big deal. A lot of Cubs fans are just sad, sad people. Usually baseball-stupid too.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 29, 2012 -> 11:41 AM) Can't tell what pitch from that photo. Many pitchers throw fastballs with fingers together, especially those that throw 2 seamers. Not a change though, obviously. The difference is that he's got the two fingers on one seam (it appears that way to me, not easy to tell). Two seamers usually aren't thrown with fingers together. If they are, it's towards the middle of the ball, not on the seams. Also, the positioning of his thumb also seems like a slider grip.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 29, 2012 -> 11:24 AM) So if this team goes down the s***ter, do we still love KW based on the facts presented in this thread? You know the answer is..."hell no!"

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ May 29, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) Another awesome thing about that picture: I think he's throwing a slider there, but I'm not sure. It's really hard to tell what he's throwing and I get the feeling hitters agree. Looks like a slider. Two fingers gripping on one seam.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ May 29, 2012 -> 10:22 AM) http://deadspin.com/5913898/paul-konerko-i...ossibly-psychic Didn't even think of PK's run that way....he's the slowest athlete on earth, so none of his hits have been infield cheapies. Yup, he won't get many cheap hits.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 29, 2012 -> 09:37 AM) Ozzie rode parades. Dunn has not. Makes perfect sense He's probably still pissed off that Dunn "lost" him his job. lololol

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 29, 2012 -> 09:20 AM) Excellent officiating? Were we watching the same game? The 4 technical on Boston in a 10 minute span? They weren't terrible, but they were far from excellent. Last night sucked. I found myself rooting for Boston, which is sad because Boston is my 2nd most hated team behind Miami. By quarter three I was rooting for the meteor. They were being sarcastic. That video has LeBron taking 3 steps.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 29, 2012 -> 09:28 AM) I have to admit I have been kind of surprised at how much Hawk doesn't like Manuel. Jerry seemed like a really nice guy, it was just a very laid back coaching style that didn't really inspire confidence when things went bad. The one comment Hawk made yesterday that stood out to me was "Adam Dunn said spring training was the most fun he had during ST in the big leagues. I asked him 'was it because of Robin?' And Dunn replied 'that was a big part of it'". Ozzie must have disliked Dunn.

Easily the Cubs. The Twins will be pesky again very soon. Morneau and Mauer are back to hitting. They won't win anything this year, but I think they'll win 70ish games and give us trouble later on in the season. I wish we would have played them more earlier in the year.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ May 29, 2012 -> 09:15 AM) They can be, but the current White Sox are a great example of how advanced statistics describe last year, not this year. What was our PECOTA win% again? We could still meet it, but it sure seems like we won't. The "eye test" employed by numerous experts predicted the exact same results. Everybody appears to be wrong, at this juncture. PECOTA sucks. It's been horribly inaccurate for years. I did a composite projection based on 4 projection systems and the Sox came out at .500. I know a lot of people who thought worse would happen. What advanced stats aren't good at is predicting the future on players with little prior history. But when you're talking about established players, the right stat can tell you a lot.