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QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 6, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) Dez MIA Dak just doesn't look for him. 4 targets for your best receiver against the Browns is abysmal.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) Yeah that made no sense to me. Obviously using Chapman the night before was a terrible idea too. There is absolutely no reason to use your best guy when you're up 7-2. I know it's a must-win and I know the Cubs bullpen isn't exactly trustworthy, but damn...

QUOTE (beautox @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 10:50 PM) I agree but if the sox aren't going to make the post season what difference does it make if they win 50 or 86 games? better to at least secure a higher draft pick and international bonus pool considerations and potential international draft slots then continue down this path while burning through this "cores" value. The tribe isn't going anywhere, the royals even after being .500 this year aren't going anywhere and the tigers even after finishing above .500 understand its time to rebuild. Additionally the sox could add maybe 30+ million this off season and still barely be at .500 its not worth it; especially when you consider if they go down this route in the not too distant future Machado and Harper will be hitting the market at very young ages and free agent pitching market gets better moving forward and aligns with this teams "window". Thanks i tried to embed this I don't think we can get away with a team that might not even win 50 games. IMO a tear down is something like trade one of Quintana or Sale (not both) and get rid of guys like Frazier, Melky, Robertson. That way, you at least give fans a reason to come to the park. We'll easily be last in attendance and lose any sort of relevancy (we don't have much right now) if we decide to trade every valuable piece we have.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 4, 2016 -> 11:06 AM) He had nobody else to trust though. Maddon f***ed up with Chapman too but it worked out. Both managers were scared s***less of 80% of their pitching staff at the end, so the other 20% was used incorrectly. The Cubs had better hitters and actually play defense so they won. Maddon f***ed up with Lester more than anything else IMO. He should have left Hendricks in.

QUOTE (beautox @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Beautox’s Offseason Plan Arbitration-eligible (with projected salaries from MLBTR): Todd Frazier, $13.5M - Tender Brett Lawrie, $5.1M - Tender Avisail Garcia, $3.5M - Non-Tender Miguel Gonzalez, $2.6M - Tender Dan Jennings, $1.2M - Tender J.B. Shuck, $1M - Non-Tender Jake Petricka, $900K - Tender Zach Putnam, $900K - Tender Daniel Webb, $600K - Non-Tender Explain the toughest calls if necessary: Pretty straight forward across the board Contract options (pick up or buy out) Matt Albers: $3M for 2017 or a $250,000 buyout - Buyout Impending free agents (re-sign, let go or qualifying offer) Austin Jackson: Made $5 million in 2016. - Let Go Alex Avila: Made $2.5 million in 2016. - Let Go Justin Morneau: Made $1 million in 2016, although he signed during the season. - Re-Sign for 2.5 million. Free agents Sign a number of project pitchers like CJ Wilson, Jarrod Parker, Doug Fister and others to suppress the future rotation’s arbitration eligibility. Sign someone like Mark Teixeira as a nice veteran presence and possible player to be flipped at the deadline in a similar fashion as Carlos Beltran last deadline. Trade I'll be using The Point of Pittsburgh as a soft guide to surplus value of prospects for this exercise. Chris Sale to Boston for OF Andrew Benintendi, 3B Rafael Devers, LHP Jason Groome & C/LF Blake Swihart. Sales surplus value is near 150 million and going by the point of Pittsburgh's mlb prospect surplus values, this deal on Boston’s end comes in around 165 million while not taking into account Swihart’s value and the premium placed on the free agent market since it is a seller’s market this offseason. Jose Quintana to Houston for SS/3B/2B Alex Bregman, RHP Francis Martes, RHP David Paulino & OF Teoscar Hernandez. It has been said this offseason Houston is willing to move Bregman for a top of the line starter and Quintana fits the bill. Jose’s surplus value comes in right around 130m, this package without factoring in Hernandez’s value comes in at about 120 so its a bit light in comparison to the Sale package so there could be an additional piece added. Jose Abreu to Texas for LHP Yohander Mendez, 3B/1B/LF Joey Gallo, OF Leody Taveras. The rangers have holes with their starting pitching, first base and center field, this trade was a bit of a challenge to properly value. I see Aberu’s value being somewhere near 40 million while Joey Gallo’s value continues to plummet in a similar fashion to Mike Olt. Yohander looks to be a mid to back of the rotation starter and Taveras offers a lot of upside but will take a bit of time to develop in the minors. Todd Frazier, Nate Jones & Brett Lawrie to Los Angeles for 1B/OF Cody Bellinger, 2B/C Austin Barnes & SS Gavin Lux. I think the dodgers pass on re-signing Turner and Utley and will need an additional arm out of the pen to back up Jansen or Chapman or whomever they sign this offseason. Bellinger doesn’t have a path in LA for the foreseeable future with Adrian locked up. Barnes hasn’t delivered on any of his promise yet and will be 27 on opening day and Lux is a prospect the white sox heavily scouted during the ‘16 draft. Frazier offers both surplus value and a likely draft pick after ‘17. Jones is an asset that should provide anywhere from 28-40m in surplus value alone during the life of his contract and Lawrie gives them a second basemen with youth and some upside with a slim chance of getting a draft pick in ‘17. If the dodgers go this route and QO Turner and Jansen while signing Chapman and trading for Frazier that affords them two additional draft picks in the ‘17 draft. David Robertson to San Francisco for OF Bryan Reynolds and LHP Steven Okert. Even with his knee being cleaned out before the start of the season relief pitching will be at a premium after the world series demonstrations of Chicago and Cleveland. Robertson has a little bit of surplus value and is likely being paid nearly what he is worth. Reynolds was the Giants first round draft pick from vanderbilt and a switch hitter another prospect that would be in the mold of the direction of "baseball players" as seen by drafting Collins, Fisher and Call. Okert looks to be a middle reliever that can handle both righties and lefties Melky Cabrera and Miguel Gonzalez to Toronto for RHP Sean Reid-Foley and LHP Angel Perdomo. Depending on what you think 1 WAR will cost this offseason this is a very close and "fair" trade; Reid-Foley has a surplus value of 15.6m and Gonzalez’s value will likely be around 14M. There is no way the jays QO Saunders for 17.2m, Melky is likely being paid what he will produce for ‘17 and there is a slim chance they could extend him a QO next year, same applies for Gonzalez. There is familiarity with Melky within the organization and Gonzalez has had success in the East previously with the O’s. Reid-Foley is a classic white sox pitching target - "Reid-Foley's delivery and arm action may not be picturesque, but he has the physical strength and athleticism to repeat both." Perdomo is a solid looking lottery ticket, both of these arms haven’t moved beyond high A. Summary The only pieces of the current 25 man roster that will likely be around for the next White Sox window are Carlos Rodon, Adam Eaton and Tim Anderson, by having a fire sale in this fashion the farm system now has waves of talent to infuse as not all prospects will pan out. The remaining pen arms that are solid: Petricka, Putman and Jennings can be moved at the deadline with the place holding rotation members and veteran bats provided they perform, if not they served their purpose of mentoring the future core while ideally getting an additional year of control out of them by keeping them down on the farm. This team will likely have a top 5 draft pick in ‘18 and a top 10 pick in ‘19. Here is what the organization’s depth chart would like at the start of ‘17 Here is what the 25 man roster would look like going into mid ‘18 Damn. This is total firesale mode. That team might not even win 50 games.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) Robertson had meniscus surgery. Should be fine for spring training. Could be why he wasn't his usual self last season.

QUOTE (whitesoxjr27 @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) Girl Cub fan at work just asked me if i was stressed out? I said no why. She says, well all you sox fans should be stressed out with the win last night and the dynasty we will become. Theo's last dynasty lasted one year...hah.

I imagine we have to sell. Even if we're a playoff team next year, there's no way we can overcome Cubs fever. We're better off building off a solid foundation.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 12:12 AM) Congrats, guys. If only your fans weren't so insufferable. Way I look at it...the silver lining is this: they already thought they were hot s*** before...well they are actually hot s*** now.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 12:19 AM) welp. at least chapman didn't do well. He got the win though...

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 12:15 AM) He's a bad matchup vs Cubs because he doesn't throw a lot of curves. Everything hard by him He didn't have problems for most of the series. I've said this before and I'll say it again: the Cubs hitting got better in the series because of how much they saw the Indians bullpen, which was primarily just 3 guys. The Cubs have great hitters, the Indians just had a really good gameplan for most of the series. The Cubs adjusted and their talent overcame the Indians'.

Ben Zobrist is the WS MVP. That guy's won the World Series two times in a row.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 12:03 AM) And on another note - boy I bet Cleveland is pissed that Lucroy turned down the trade with his no trade clause. That probably would've been the difference for them. IDK man, he's not Roberto Perez.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 11:52 PM) Reading where he's statistically one of the worst hitters in MLB history He got put in to basically throw someone out at home.

s*** honestly...I can't get mad. The feeling of winning the World Series is honestly one of the best feelings in the world. I'm happy for some of the Cubs players and their hardcore fans. But f*** all the bandwagoners looking for a party.

That was a hanging curve...

Michael Martinez hit .238/.267/.307 this year...

Michael Martinez vs. Montgommery. Double probably ties it.

lol f***ing Rajai Davis.

Montero's RBI looms large right now.

Here's Davis again.

lol Carl Edwards Jr might be the guy to win the Cubs the World Series.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 11:34 PM) I'm confused why he was left in after Schwarber rips one and Bryant nearly homers. He's pitched well in the series. The problem is that as the series prolonged, the Cubs got more looks at these guys. I don't think it's a coincidence why the Cubs have hit much better in the past 3 games.

4-5-6 coming up. Not over yet, but pretty much over.

Looks like they should have gone to Bauer earlier.