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QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) They got a #7. I think the Nets pick will be in that range (unless the ping pong Gods say otherwise). I don't see it being demonstrably worse, especially if what the pundits say is true, i.e., that this upcoming draft won't be as good. ....and gave up the #16. A top 10 player in the league allowed them to move up 9 spots in the draft and acquire 2 other damaged goods players. It was a panic garbage trade that does nothing for their future unless we got Dirk 2.0 & Levine doesn't need his athleticism to become a star. Huge gamble to make that didn't need to be done.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 11:50 AM) What other deal was out there btw? I love to criticize the Bulls FO as much as anyone else (I was clearly on the side arguing that trading Butler for just about ANY deal was a dumb move), but I think people are complaining about other hypothetical returns that simply were not there. I think they did the best they could and it's a pretty decent return relative to what these other teams got for their star players. That's all i'm saying. We'll never know, but I would have just held on to him rather than give him up for the s*** return we got. I don't see any possible way the return could have been worse and there was no reason to make a panic move at that point is my argument

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) Originally...yes...after all these medical reports, I am less convinced of such. If that pick ends up being top 3 it's still better than what we got. Still in disbelief we threw in our 1st rounder for that deal.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 14, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) Machado and Harper both are not free agents until the end of the 2018 season. As far as young players available in free agency this year, who will be a free agent thus year that the Sox should sign? I see nothing but 28+ year old veterans looking for a big pay day which does not lineup with what the Sox are doing. The Sox need to give their talent another year of development to know what holes remain at the end of the '18 season. Then over the 2018/19 winter the Sox can look at filling a hole or two with free agents. If you seriously think the Sox are going to spend their way back to contention this winter, you are going to be very dissapointed. Didn't you hear? JR is cheap and won't spend a dime! This whole "rebuild" is really just to line is pockets. It has nothing to do with there needing to be actual worthwhile free agents to spend money on, 100% JR.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 05:15 PM) I hope its pretty clear by now that Sox wins usually are a result of the young guys doing well. Earlier it was easy to accept losses because there weren't as many young guys around. Now the team is full of them . Difficult to have your cake and eat it too. Sox losses with youngsters playing well are a bit harder to achieve now. Need to send the entire bullpen to the DL and grab some guys off the street to stop the bleeding. It's going to suck if we end up not even in the top 3 with 95+ losses.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 11:29 AM) 5 years $75M is what I think he asks for paid as follows $20M $20M $15M $10M $10M Good luck to him then, I don't think theres any chance he gets that. It seems that teams are learning not to pay big/long money for DH's on the wrong side of 30.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) Does anyone know or have a link of where one might find the current contract statuses of the Sox players? Cots baseball

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 07:51 PM) Basic question in reply and I don't know the answer to - do you really have 2 MRIs with inconclusive results if it's "soreness you'd have pitched through if it were the playoffs"? That sounds like the same question we'd have asked at the start of the season for him when there was nothing wrong but soreness and he missed half the season for that. So at least color me skeptical, but maybe? I wear no tin foil, but they could be making it seem like a real issue and not DL tanking funny business? Also could just be extra cautious due to early season issues

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 07:11 PM) Yea I don't believe that for a 2nd, Dick. Rodon needs experience more than he needs any sort of stealth tank "rest". Shoulder inflammation, accompanied by an immediate MRI, then a 2nd opinion -- no bueno. Here's my timeline, and I hope I'm not as right on this one as I was on Tilson (Christ I should set the over under on 2017 as his return for my prediction, not July): -- rests most of the offseason -- makes a few spring training starts after delaying his throwing program and pushing him back in spring -- soreness comes back and they shut him down until May or so -- May comes, he tries to throw, can't, and then we hear the dreaded "exploratory surgery". -- Surgery repairs something in the shoulder joint, hopefully not the dreaded "capsule" like Santana and Danks, and he misses the rest of 2018. -- He's never the same guy It's somewhere in the middle. He probably had some minor soreness that in a playoff race is something you play through, but when your 30 games back and trying to get a better draft pick you shut him down - both to help the draft & to not take even the slightest risk.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) That is what I'm saying. Had this trade occurred with 2 extra years of a cheap Chris Sale, the 3rd piece would've been much better IMO. Another top 100 guy. I disagree. 2 extra years of Sale proving his dominance/health isn't worth much less than 2 years of control. The Sale trade that actually went down doesn't happen that much cause teams are not gutting entire systems for 1 single player.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Sep 12, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) Also what's the point of having the home opener on a Thursday and giving Friday off? seems real odd. So if there's a rainout and they want to screw fans over like they did this year they can.

Sox vs Cubs in late September seems odd.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 11:46 PM) But if we hadn't gone for it in 2015 I don't think we trade those three, we still would probably be looking to build around them. With what though? The only reason we have anything to build with now is because we traded them.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) I'd argue that the return for Sale would've been much higher Offset by much lower returns for Q/Eaton. And really, getting the #1 hitting and pitching prospects in baseball in the same trade is a pretty solid return.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 05:09 PM) During a season in the Robin era? Yes. We're taking from Day One preparation in spring training through the regular season. Of course they'd be 8 or more wins better than Robin. Robin was that bad. Inexperienced and pretty much a managing buffoon. Great player? Of course. Manager? Horrific. lol I keep thinking I'll catch a non-insane post from you, but nope you don't break.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) How about a slightly different what if scenario? Say we never went for it in 2015 and continued to rebuild. Would we have been competitive this year? Returns for Sale, Q, & Eaton wouldn't have been as high

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 03:03 PM) I'm not saying it had to be Rick. When we got Robin wasn't Francona available? Remember I was talking about begging Leyland or LaRussa to save us? So again, Francona or Leyland or LaRussa were worth 8+ wins alone?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) We'd have had a chance with Robin out of the way. However, with Cleveland on this kind of a roll they'd still have won the division and we wouldn't have made the wild card. But with Robin replaced by somebody competent, we may never have rebuilt in the first place. Robin was pretty darn bad. So going from Robin to Rick added 8+ games to the win column? Interesting

About as good of a chance as they had the last 3 years of failing at the same goal.

Cmon 3-2 loss with dingers by TA & Moncada & 8IP by Gio.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 10:44 PM) Not really so. I am offended that fans are all for Jerry saving money and us having a very low payroll. Want to stir people up on Soxtalk? Mention trying to sign somebody for some $$. I don't understand why Jerry makes your life miserable as a fan in terms of prices and you want to cut him a break and let him have a 40 million dollar payroll. This site is full of management lovers and I don't understand why. If it's because of 2005, say so. I might be able to embrace that, since I loved the title. Aside from that? Blah. I feel the Sox have a bunch of studs Hahn acquired and we should win someday, but there will still be a lotta work to do to win with the studs. They are gonna have to build a bullpen and build a defense to go with the bats. Without that we go nowhere. 2.) I don't see why he signed guys like Holland and Pelfrey and let his peeps acquire Shields. All three are offensively bad. I mean if we are purposely tanking, fine, but if that's so, baseball should at least fine the White Sox for making it obvious. That said ... GO SOX! I've asked several times but you ignore any request for logic yet I'll try again for some reason: 1) Who should they have signed? Name a real life person, not a mythical elite 25 year old stud that will sign for 10 million that I think you picture in your mind. 2) Since the mythical players in your mind are just that, do you not believe in payroll caps or do you think the team's payroll should be 200mil? 300 mil? Is there a cap or should they spend like the Giambi Yankee days? 3) Say they do commit to a bunch of guys just to appease you and have a 150m payroll and win 80 games instead of 70 next year. What happens when those guys flop or are taking time away from a legit prospect 2 years down the road? What happens when you have a solid young core in 2020 but you stupidly committed money to a bunch of aging stars in 2018 so you no longer have any money to fill real holes? Do you not see how stupid it would be to commit long term money to guys now before we know what our needs will be a couple years from now when all these kids make their way up? Also, YOU claiming anyone is basing anything off of 2005 is incredible.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 6, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) I presume both teams had a say in things? My assumption was they did and Miami said "fug no" to giving up revenue of a home game.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 10:54 PM) Some of us don't trust Jerry or the front office. Many of you do. Do you gladly pay the cost of parking with a smile on your face? Do you gladly pay over 10 bucks for your hot dog and beer? Probably closer to 20. For that reason I want jerry to spend as well. Sorry if it's my "schtick." I'll give 'em credit if we dominate the 2000s or win a WS or two. Or win the AL a few seasons. So your arguments are: 1.) Jerry prices parking and hot dogs too high. 2.) Jerry doesn't sign non-existent free agents when the team is rebuilding Sound, sound arguments.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 06:55 PM) The White Sox spent some of their highest payrolls in team history during those seasons and as you noted got no where close. Here's the basic problem - the White Sox did not have a strong "cost-controlled set of core players". They had a pair of excellent players and about 2 other good players to go with them, and then a roster full of waste. They had to bring in "mid-tier scrap heap types" every year because they had so many different positions they needed to fill alongside that small group. They had no roster depth, and the tiny bits of roster depth they did manage to create Rick Hahn would immediately package for his next big name acquisition. With no roster depth and 5-6 key positions to fill every single year, they weren't going to be able to spend their way out of it, with the failure rate on the FA market, without challenging the Dodgers in payroll - they had too many needs. What they need to create is the opposite situation - they need to create a situation where they have roster and organizational depth. They need to create a situation where they know they have 1 or 2 obvious needs. Fill the OF, starting rotation, 2b, and leave either 3b or SS as a weak spot and they know they need to go out and grab a 3b or SS and maybe bullpen help. That's manageable in an offseason without having to go scrap heap diving. This should be a bot auto-post anytime one of the handful of Greg's post about cheapness/tanking for profit/etc/etc The Sox have spent the last decade of offseasons needing to fill more holes on the team than having actual competent players and had to resort to basically buying a roll of scratch offs because the only other option would be to have a 400m payroll. If this thing goes right they should have hopefully at most 2-3 true holes to fill in 2020 range and be ready to have great teams for most of the 20's

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 09:13 AM) nobody cares. As long as the kids in the pipeline are the real deal, it doesnt matter what the payroll is next year, so stop whining about it These are the same people who complain about contracts guys like Dunn, Shields, etc. get. All Hahn has to do is find young, elite talent willing to sign short term deals at bargain prices. Cheapass JR!!!