Y2Jimmy0

This guy is a decent twitter follow. He posted his White Sox top 20. http://topprospectalert.com/2014/10/14/chi...spect-rankings/

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 17, 2014 -> 01:22 PM) Raise your hands if you remember a DJ williams play as a Chicago Bear. Last year he had a nice sack of Roethlisberger vs the Steelers on SNF but yes good point. Brock Vereen gets his first NFL start at FS on Sunday.

QUOTE (BaconOnAStick @ Oct 17, 2014 -> 12:54 PM) As of now the White Sox have nothing to even pin hope on in the pen and it's not like we have any reason to believe Miller or Robertson will be in the Sox price range. Montas has a huge fastball and a very good slider. Why not just try and cash him in now? Especially when the pitching depth through the org is improving so rapidly. Stop. Just stop. Why not cash him in now? Because frontline starters are much more important than relief pitchers. Why would you just say "ahh screw it, make him a reliever". It doesn't make any sense.

QUOTE (BaconOnAStick @ Oct 17, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) It's tough to assume Rodon breaks camp in the White Sox rotation. Give him the Sale trearment, let him work a year in the pen to get himself together then once he's ready put him in the rotation. I don't care about service time, I care about making him a good pitcher for us. As for Montas, he's headed to the pen anyways so why not get him in a leverage role now? I thought I addressed both of these in the earlier post. Those are both terrible ideas. They also won't happen so I won't waste my time discussing it any further.

Here is the Kiley McDaniel Fangraph's piece on the Cubs system: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-...s-chicago-cubs/ I love that Kiley McDaniel is at Fangraphs and I can't wait for the White Sox list.

QUOTE (BaconOnAStick @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 10:27 PM) 1 Adam Eaton L CF 2 Carlos Sanchez S 2B 3 Jose Abreu R 1B 4 Jay Bruce L RF 5 Avisail Garcia R RF 6 Adam Lind L DH 7 Alexei Ramirez R SS 8 Conor Gillaspie L 3B 9 Tyler Flowers R C BN Marcus Semien R UTIL BN Leury Garcia S UTIL BN Mike Morse R DH/1B/OF BN Adrian Nieto S C 1 Chris Sale L 2 Jose Quintana L 3 Hector Noesi R 4 John Danks L 5 Daniel Corcino R MR Brandon Morrow R MR Jake Petricka R MR Daniel Webb R MR Scott Snodgress L MR Josh Outman L SU Francellis Montas R CL Carlos Rodon L Adam Lind 2 years $18.5m Mike Morse 2 years $9.5m Brandon Morrow 1 year $5.5m Josh Outman 1 year $4.5m Dayan Viciedo, Micah Johnson, Courtney Hawkins to Cincinnati Reds for Jay Bruce, Daniel Corcino. --------------- -Lind and Morse platoon. When facing lefties Morse plays the field for Abreu or Avisail, who themselves slide into the DH spot. -Coin flip really between Semien and Sanchez over who starts the season at 2nd, I picked Sanchez because defense. Whoever doesn't start at 2nd will sub the IF positions. -Open tryouts for 5th starter (or 4th starter); if one fails a new comes up from the minors. -Rookies with great stuff make good bullpen pitchers. When Rodon joins the rotation (which could be midseason...) Montas is ready to move straight to closer. I love the Jay Bruce idea. I hate the idea of Rodon and Montas to the bullpen though. If any of Rodon's service time is spent in the bullpen it is a huge mistake. What's the rush on making Montas a closer? He has the chance to be a potential front of the rotation starter. You let him fail before you even consider putting him in the bullpen.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) How come Brother Rice traveled to Michigan to lose a game and Indianapolis to lose a game? Aren't there enough teams to play in the Chicago area? It's their only two losses so far. What am I missing here with that kind of schedule? The reasoning? I believe Brother Rice will get their 3rd loss tonight at Providence.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) I actually don't think it is at all. They're still going to try and re-sign him, but if they can't, he will get a lucrative multi-year deal elsewhere. This isn't quite the AJ Burnett situation from last year where they were unsure if he'd sign elsewhere and they didn't want to be on the hook for $14 mill if he chose to sign with them. Yeah you are probably right. I just thought they'd be afraid of having to pay the $15.3 million if they had to. I think this takes the White Sox out of the Russell Martin derby if they were even in though.

QUOTE (striker @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) The only person I'd consider for more than 2 years is Headley. The rest are on the wrong side of 30 or aren't anything special. Martin projects more like a 2 WAR player, which is what Tyler Flowers is. I'd try to find a right handed starter that you can either extend (trade market) or a 1/2 year stop gap via free agency (Peavy, McCarthy, etc). I'd prefer financial flexibility over a free agent gamble. As the Yankees have proven year over year, buying players doesn't translate to winning. They went nuts last year and didn't even make the playoffs. Jon Heyman tweeted that Pittsburgh will give Martin a QO. That's somewhat surprising.

This was the excellent post by lasttriptotulsa that detailed Rodon's situation in the Prospect Watch thread: You still don't quite have it. If he starts with the team next year, he will not be Super 2. To qualify for Super 2 status a player must have more than 2 years, but less than 3 years service time and rank in the top 22% of all 2 years players regarding service time. If he is with the team next year opening day, he would not have enough service time after his 2nd year to qualify for Super 2 as he would just have 2 years and 1 month. Here are the ways his time with the White Sox could be laid out. If he starts with the team next year regardless of whether he comes up in September: 2015: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2016: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2017: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2018: Arbitration 1 2019: Arbitration 2 2020: Arbitration 3 2021: Free Agent If he comes up in September and doesn't start with the team next year but gets called up BEFORE his Super 2 cutoff (August-ish): 2015: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2016: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2017: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2018: Arbitration 1 (Super 2) 2019: Arbitration 2 2020: Arbitration 3 2021: Arbitration 4 2022: Free Agent If he comes up in September and doesn't start with the team next year but gets called up AFTER his Super 2 cutoff (August-ish): 2015: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2016: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2017: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2018: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2019: Arbitration 1 2020: Arbitration 2 2021: Arbitration 3 2022: Free Agent If he doesn't come up in September and doesn't start with the team next year but gets called up BEFORE his Super 2 cutoff (July-ish): 2015: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2016: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2017: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2018: Arbitration 1 (Super 2) 2019: Arbitration 2 2020: Arbitration 3 2021: Arbitration 4 2022: Free Agent If he doesn't come up in September and doesn't start with the team next year but gets called up AFTER his Super 2 cutoff (July-ish): 2015: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2016: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2017: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2018: Team Control (near minimum salary) 2019: Arbitration 1 2020: Arbitration 2 2021: Arbitration 3 2022: Free Agent While it may seem like a good idea to hold off on calling him up until after opening day next year because you push his FA date out until 2022, a good portion of that extra year will be spent in the minors and you will end up paying him a hell of lot if he qualifies for Super 2 because of the 4 years of arbitration. If he doesn't qualify for Super 2, you're waiting until the season is more than half over so he spent the majority of the time in that "extra" year pitching in the minors. I think the best thing to do is just call him up in September to let him get his feet wet, start him next year with the big league team to go through the growing pains and then in 2016 we should be ready to compete and Rodon will have a year plus experience and should be ready to really help the team.

You'll see him in the rotation after the Super 2 cutoff. This was all detailed in another thread somewhere. I will try and find it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) Anderson's getting some great reviews so far with his performance in the AFL. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/98576616/whi...in-glendale-win

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) Anderson's getting some great reviews so far with his performance in the AFL. He should be. Kid is a stud. Legit top 50 prospect.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 15, 2014 -> 11:13 PM) Erik Johnson was so bad. Man. Sox have money to spend and could easily swipe needed righty Shields from the Royals' grasp. In fact, it might be wise to steal Shields, Aoki and Butler and take away their mojo. Suddenly we have to worry about the Royals being the new Tigers. Hahn could really strip the mojo by signing those three Royals. Shields ... 3 years 45 million. Butler ... 2 years 12 million with option year. Aoki ... 2 years 10 million. Is it worth the risk? Throwing 67 million at Royals over 7 years? It's just 26 million to Royals for next season. Sox payroll is fine after adding the 26 mill. LOL. Shields will get a 5 year deal around $90 million. I would like more power than Aoki provides out of the other OF and Butler is meh. The guy I'd sign from the Royals is Luke Hochevar.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 07:54 AM) The one positive to Melky's past PED use is that it should limit the overall contract length. My guess is he gets something like 3/$45M and maybe even a little less in terms of AAV if he's given a qualifying offer. I really don't think anyone will be willing to go four years with him due to his baggage. While I do have some concerns about Melky going forward, I think the deal I mentioned above is a no-brainer for us. Melky for 3 years and $45 million would be outstanding. I think he gets more than that though.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 15, 2014 -> 11:14 PM) Are these Melky rumors really valid? Thought of him being on the team is already ruining my offseason. Why would that ruin your offseason?

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 16, 2014 -> 05:41 AM) this is where I would like to ask, would you put him #1 in the lineup and Eaton #2? 1. Eaton 2. Markakis 9. Johnson That's how I'd go...

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 15, 2014 -> 12:23 PM) Trading the little bit of young pitching we have is not advisable. That's how we got into this mess. Sox couldnt' even cobble together a decent starting 5 last year, not to mention a bullpen. Sure as heck don't need another Swisher trade. Sox are actually pretty deep with young SP. Just isn't really close to the majors. Carlos Rodon Francellis Montas Tyler Danish Spencer Adams Luis Martinez Chris Beck Chris Bassitt Erik Johnson That doesn't even mention the bullpen types. I'm not advocating trading them. I am just pointing out that the system is as flush with quality SP as it's been in awhile.

QUOTE (Greyone @ Oct 14, 2014 -> 01:09 PM) Same, I can see having a team you like/ or a team you follow in the other conference but never in the same. I have a hard enough time emotionally following one team, could never follow another that deeply. My girlfriend is a Pittsburgh sports fan. I'd like to see the Pirates and Steelers win if the Bears and Sox don't but I'm never affected by losses.

I'll never understand having a 2nd favorite team. Doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I'm just weird.

QUOTE (MAX @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 06:45 PM) If the sox purposely acquire an admitted steroid user via a large free agency contract, I'll probably not watch baseball anymore. Its one thing to take on prospects who are struggling to make the bigs. Its another entirely to recruit and reward a known cheater via huge contract. Haha you might as well stop watching sports then. Sports are littered with bad guys. The 2005 White Sox had steroid users on the team and nobody really cared. If you could guarantee me that Melky would come here and solidify the lineup, I don't really care what means he takes to do that.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 05:08 PM) The laziness of the Cleuluis Rondon section is just awful. "The White Sox also acquired glove-first infielder Cleuluis Rondon from Boston in the trade. Rondon entered the season as the No. 26 prospect in the system and is good enough defensively to be a shortstop — if his bat ever catches up." He is good enough defensively to be a shortstop. Really? That's all the writer could come up with? Do some research on the other prospects of the trade. Cleuluis is another prospect with great potential. His bat was good enough while in A+. That defense at shortstop is so valuable. He is known for his plus-plus defense at shortstop. Embarrassing on Dan Hayes part. Stating " He is good enough defensively to be a shortstop" is selling him very short. Rondon has been a bit undersold but defense isn't sexy. If Rondon hits over .200 he'll be a major leaguer. That's the bottom line.

QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 06:25 PM) Stevenson Football is the Atlanta Braves of HS football, minus the one ring. It will help Stevenson that they won't have to run the gauntlet in 8A though. 7A will be much tougher because many of the best teams end up in 7A lately.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 13, 2014 -> 06:20 PM) Nah, Stevenson. I might be off a year. Okay. We played Stevenson in 2002. Maine South in 2003.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 11, 2014 -> 04:55 PM) There you go. So Law says that with Montas quickly emerging into a front-line starter prospect, the Sox will have 4 in the top 100 (Montas plus presumably Anderson, Rodon and ?). So that brings up a good question - do we move Quintana or [gasp] Sale to bring in some top flight positional talent? Rodon, Anderson, Montas, and Danish