Chicago White Sox

You make everything way too black and white. Just because the Dodgers didn’t take a deal now, does not mean they don’t plan on trading him at some point in the future. Based on the calls they received after the leak, the Dodgers may have reason to believe that they’ll have a much bigger market come June or July. Also, the White Sox had a deal in place for Jose Quintana in Decemeber of 2016, saw it fall through, and decided to wait seven months before ultimately dealing him. These guys aren’t selling assets that are automatically depreciating in value, sometimes holding for a period of time is the best course of action.

Lol...did you or Tony even listen to the interview? He wasn’t making excuses, he was answering a question. FWIW, Hahn thinks they had a great offseason other than the Machado miss (which I fully disagree with).

Why shouldn’t we take his word on this?

I probably hate Rick Hahn more than anyone in the world right now and even I can understand the impact leaks can have on a potential trade. This isn’t unique to just baseball either, leaks in general are dangerous for business deals.

Are we actually comparing selling baseball players to selling vehicles? Cars are a detoriating asset and the automotive market is unrestricted with numerous buyers & sellers that allow for complete transparency on value. Baseball players valuations are completely subjective, their markets (and valuations) are limited to / impacted by a small set of buyers and sellers, and their stocks can actually increase by holding on them. This is an absolutely horrible comparison.

My optimism for the rebuild will greatly improve with strong seasons from these two. Would love to see Yoan to put up a 4 win season (or better) and Eloy come close to a 3 win season.

He specifically mentioned he had a framework for a trade agreed to and that after the leak came out the other GM increased his ask. He implied that typically this is the result of other GMs entering the mix and causing the price to change.

Who is calling them idiots? Maybe the Dodgers were simply high on Fulmer and thought they could return him to 1st round status? We took a broken Gavin Floyd and a broken Lucas Giolito as centerpieces in major trades. I really don’t think it’s that far-fetched that teams reached out to the Dodgers after the leak and their front office decided the framework they agreed to wasn’t enough and maybe they had valued Carson too highly.

He was asked a question from Garfein about all the Twitter leaks this offseason and how that impacted them. He said most of the leaks weren’t true, but they can’t dispute them without indicating which ones are true. He then said leaks have impacted multiple deals in the past, including one this offseason. I don’t think he wants anything other than to make it clear the Sox do much better when operating under the radar.

Is this a serious post? Dude potentially lost a deal because it leaked out on Twitter and he can’t be mad because it was too one-sided?

Exactly. Seems entirely plausible to me.

Hahn specifically said the ask changed after the leak.

It was stopped by the deal leaking because other teams reached out to Friedman once they saw the terms, which caused Andrew to increase his ask to Hahn. Like I said previously, Friedman may have felt from those conversations that he could extract more value by waiting until a later date (potentially into the season) and than taking the White Sox’s current offer of Fulmer, Bummer, and third piece. Not sure why this is so far fetched. We know the same type of thing happened with Quintana the offseason before we dealt him. While that wasn’t related to a Twitter leak (I don’t believe), we still ended up holding him for like seven months after having initially having a framework for trade agreed to with a different club. Deals fall apart all the time for all sorts of reasons.

So you think Hahn is making it up then?

See my post directly above this one.

The rumored offer was incredibly light though. It’s very possible a team or teams reached out to the Dodgers after they saw the names included in our offer (Fulmer, Bummer) and Friedman simply decided now was not the right to move him and that he could get more at a later date from one of those clubs.

Didn’t the Joc trade leak out around Soxfest, which was a few weeks before Machado even signed? We had multiple people here plus WSD claim a deal had been agreed to. I see zero reason Hahn would lie about this and give the rumored price (which seemed light) I’m not surprised if other teams reached out to the Dodgers shortly thereafter.

Yup, that’s exactly what it sounds like happened.

Bumped...sounds like Burdi had a lat injury earlier in camp and won’t start with Charlotte until late April.

Sorry, I don’t follow here.

Moncada now 3/3 on the day with two 2B and a HR.

Based on an interview Hahn did with Chuck on his latest podcast, a deal fell through this offseason due to it leaking on Twitter. It really sounds like it was the Joc Pederson trade and Hahn said he was pretty pissed about it.

Not sure where to post this, but Garfein asked Hahn on his podcast that just came out how all these extensions would affect their plans/ability to add impact talent via free agency. Hahn basically said that part of the rebuild was to build up such a critical mass of talent that there would be enough excess to be used as trade assets to fill holes and if the answers aren’t available in free agency then they’ll look to go the trade route. While there is nothing technically wrong with what he said, he did not emit much confidence that we’ll be adding impact talent via free agency in the near future and that puts the rebuild in a very tough spot given our recent struggles in drafting and player development. Without supplementing via free agency, it’s really hard to see us having the excess talent needed to pull off a major trade.

No, if he struggles horribly at High A then I’d consider demoting him at some point. I just don’t think we should be overreacting to a SSS and give him a conservative assignment. He’s a guy who is more likely to be traded then ever play a game in our major league OF, which is another reason to keep him advancing at an age appropriate curve. We all see how the scouting community is still skeptical on Luis Gonzalez despite some sick numbers last year. Unless we have a reason to beleive he needs time at Kannapolis (like he looks terrible), let him start at High A where most polished college bats start off their first full seasons.

That’s completely fair, but if he looks like the same guy they drafted last summer, I wouldn’t let a SSS at Kannapolis last year impact my placement if him this year.