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There are the Albies & Torres comparisons...right on cue!

Lol what?

Watch out, you might get a confused face with this kind of optimism with Moncada!

So you cite a guy who was an awful defender who somehow got good as proof of what exactly? That doesn’t show Moncada can get better? I’m not sure I get your angle here other than the relentless b****fest over Moncada.

Or maybe they simply took BPA? ?‍♂️

Yup, and that’s a very exciting development. The infield in Kanny could be very crowded next year between Bush, Curbelo, Sosa, and even Beltre & Nunez.

Lol...it always has to be a Cubs comparison, if I didn’t know better...?

You must be thinking of someone else, because fathom hates Madrigal more than Moncada.

I’m talking about during his prime as the post above indicates. It will most definitely take some time to get there, but a kid with an elite hit tool / bat control should be able to hit .300 or so upon maturity.

Am I crazy or is Lopez all fastballs & changeups today? If so, how has the change looked so far?

Why is that?

Honestly, with his hit tool and speed I don’t see it ever being much lower once he reaches maturity. I think .290 is more of a downside case if his hit tool is as good as advertised.

His K rate is like 26% over the last month, which is substantial improvement. And how many games are you basing this 3B assessment off of?

I would expect Madrigal to hit a lot higher than .290. A slash line of .310/.340/.380 seems like a conservative projection for him IMO with upside for more power & walks.

Here’s Moncada’s line since Jul 1st: 15.9% BB rate, 25.7% K rate, .202 ISO, .306 BABIP, .244/.363/.447/.810, 124 wRC+ If we can see that type of offenizve production going forward, we’re already looking at a 4 to 5 WAR player. And the reality is there is room for improvement with some postive BABIP regression, increased power, and strides against LHP pitching. All this as a 23 year old with some of the loudest tools in baseball. I really don’t see why so many people are down on him at the moment.

What in the world does Tatis have to do with anything?

The ones we offer the most money to? ?‍♂️

And people b****ing about the Sale return at this point are nuts. We got prospects back that ultimately ended up with FV grades of 70, 60, & 50. The 70 grade prospect is a top 5 physical talent in all baseball. The 60 grade prospect has as big of a ceiling as any RHP in baseball. The 50 grade prospect just started in CF in the Futures Game and still has untapped potential IMO. In today’s world that’s an absolute fucking haul. I get Sale is the GOAT Sox pitcher and it sucks to see him dominating elsewhere, but right now it appears our front office did their due diligence and got what could be an epic return. That could change with time, but right now there is zero reason to be calling this a poor trade for us.

I think saying it’s not a big deal is not an accurate assessment. Saying it’s not the end of the world would be better. We can survive Moncada being just a slightly above average player, but that means a lot of other things have to go right. But that’s why you rebuild in the first place. to build enough prospect depth so you can cover any misses with hits elsewhere.

Can we create a “Ownership / Front Office b****fest” thread and direct all further complaints there for the near future? I have no problem is people hate Reinsdorf, KW, Hahn, etc. but it’s like every single thread gets derailed with the same tired argument. We get it, these guys have a terrible track record over the past 10 years and probably didn’t deserve the opportunity to rebuild the club. But those are the cards we’ve been dealt, so either we can all be patient and see how it shakes out or we can panic at every single bump in the road and use it an excuse to whine about these guys relentlessly. I know this will fall on deaf ears, but a lot of good conservations are being ruined with all the non-stop b****ing.

A point that isn’t mentioned nearly enough.

Are we really using strikeouts as the end all be all? Go check Kris Bryant’s minor league strikeout rates. Moncada was rushed through the minors, his development will like take a little longer than expected. Let’s all give the kid some god damn time. He’s already shown significant improvement in July, which a loud group of posters here continue to ignore.

JFC Caulfield, neither kid is a finished product. They 25 & 23 years old FFS. People’s need for instant gratification here is infuriating.

Looking through this in more detail and they still don’t have Ian Hamilton & Jimmy Lambert on the list. While this is a vast improvement over their pre-season list, there’s still some big misses

Lol...what? Moncada & Anderson can’t be the answers in the middle infield? Do people here honestly think before they post this garbage? Anderson has improved his BB & K rates this year while improving his power. He’s providing positive value in the field & on the bases. The only thing holding him back a bit is a BABIP a good 40 points below where it should be. This has been a fanatic year for Tim. As for Moncada, he showed significant improvement in July. 14.8% BB rate & 25.9% K rate. He was able to maintain a pretty good ISO of .176. All this was good for a .750 & 108 wRC+. Given his .295 BABIP, those numbers could have been a little better with some more luck.