Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (pablo @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 08:16 PM) This is a complete side note but have found it funny ever since the winter meetings. What is up with RH always saying "if we had our druthers..."? It's got to be the fourth or fifth time I have heard him use it since the Eaton deal. Can he come up with something new? It's getting to the point where it's a tad bit annoying for me. Lol...he has definitely been using "druthers" quite a bit. Am I wrong or is that a term KW used quite frequently in the past?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 07:25 PM) Wasn't he a #1 overall candidate at one point? If that's the case, I think it's pretty clear a return to form means the sky is the limit (and obviously for his prospect status). Yeah, there was definitely talk about it leading into his junior season. Having said that, it's rare to see someone jump from being outside of most top 100 lists to suddenly being a top 30 overall prospect. It can happen, but you really need a situation like Hansen's, where people are still overvaluing his poor college performance (and rightfully so for the most part). If he can dominate A ball and maybe reach AA by the end of the season, I fully expect him to be amongst the highest rated RHP prospects in the minors next year. To your point, the sky is really the limit and these lists will quickly reflect that if he can keep it up.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) I actually thought it was the first move. I don't think they are this petty. What would be the point of trading those two and then just holding serve? Wouldn't we have a Napoli signing? A Wieters signing? Exactly, they would have replaced these guys with legit replacements and not Derek Holland & Avi Garcia.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) He said you would know the direction after the first couple of moves. There actually were a couple of moves before the trades, and he clearly has said time and time again they are closer to the beginning than the end of the rebuild, would like to make 4 more of these trades, and has said other teams ownership has nixed 2 deals. The LaRoche connection conspiracy is crazy. It just worked out that the first 2 were Sale and Eaton, could have been Frazier and Q. It's beyond crazy. And I think people will realize this very quickly, as I fully expect the Sox to very active on the trade market all season and not just wait until the deadline. I'd be absolutely shocked if Quintana, Frazier, Melky, & Robertson were on this team come August 1st and wouldn't be surprised if a move or two were made between now and May. Moves are coming, we all just need to patient despite how painful that may be.

Hansen could realistically be a top 30 prospect by the end of next season. I can respect why people are skeptical right now, but a strong year in full season ball will make a lot of believers.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 06:22 PM) I'd imagine Q, Robertson, Frazier and Jones. I'd say Melky over Jones. Honestly, I don't they are very motivated to move Jones right now, they probably figure he can greatly improve his value with some closing experience.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 05:35 PM) My guess is Washington For Robertson due to money and Q /Cutch/NY due to who the f*** knows. Yeah, that seems to make sense to me. I could have seen the PIT/NYY three way also falling apart due to money.

Wow, two deals fell through at the ownership approval stage...wonder what deals those were?

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Feb 12, 2017 -> 09:45 PM) LOL. GMs never posture! Kind of running out of time here...

Sounds like an Astros trade is unlikely based on this tweet from MLB Network Radio:

I saw an article from over the weekend at a Nationals fan site that suggested Kieboom & Voth for Robertson. Honestly, I'd take that deal in a heartbeat and give Nate Jones four months to close up until the deadline.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Feb 12, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) Yes, but you have to be flexible and have some finesse when doing so. There are a number of ways to get value. What is "too little" today becomes "market value" soon enough if the Sox hold onto him. Last July, Benintendi was "too little" and by December he was too much. And there are risks attached with any pitcher; I think hesitation until after the WBC is plausible and understandable. Q has always seemed to me to be a better winter trade candidate than July. Much of his value is in contract amount and length. These things are most important and valuable to teams as they plan out their organization and team for the next year and in the future. In July, the priorities shift to someone who can pitch well, not for 3 years, but for 4 months. Contract and length aren't as important. Q needs to be moved. I agree that it makes sense to move Quintana now, but if the Astros won't even give a prospect like Kyle Tucker then we really have no chance but to wait. Apparently the desperation factor just isn't there yet.

I guess I don't get insane Reinsdorf hate around here. Was he really that bad of an owner for most of his tenure? Without spending a lot of time on this, the Sox had the 4th best record in the 90s & 9th best record in the 00s. I get we didn't have a ton of playoff experiences during that stretch, but does that mean Jerry was a bad owner? I guess I don't see it. Having said that, I do blame him for our struggles during this last half decade. His direction to "go for it" each year without giving the organization the proper resources to win falls on him. His unwavering loyalty to his front office despite extended stretches of underperformance falls on him. I for the most part think Jerry has been a solid owner, but for whatever reason (possibly age), he's really fallen offer as of late. I do think it's finally time for a change in that department, but I don't think having a different owner in charge would have radically change things in the 90s & 00s.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 11:51 AM) I think one of you is talking about JJ Cooper and the other Don Cooper. Yeah, my bad.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 11:47 AM) No, JJ Cooper. Well I'm an idiot, carry on.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 11:36 AM) Was not surprised to see Giolito ranking as Cooper often says he likes Lopez more than him. ? Maybe you mean Kopech, but I'm pretty sure Cooper has said he's less familiar with Lopez than the other big name prospects they've acquired. And I know he said he wasn't sure if Lopez was a starter or a reliever yet.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) I said way back that Q would not be traded this winter and several educated fans on this site said I was wrong. "Just look at all the rumors" they said. Well I will predict Q will be still w the Sox when spring training opens this week. He also will be with the Sox when the season ends as well. But you're arguing that Quintana is still here because the front office doesn't want to move him. And honestly, all their public statements and pretty much every rumor suggests the Sox would like to move everyone not named Anderson & Rodon. Just because they haven't moved someone yet doesn't mean they wouldn't like to. Takes two sides to make a deal and it seems that teams aren't willing to pony up for Quintana. That being said, why do you think the Sox want to keep Quintana exactly? What's their end game with him? Why are you predicting he will be here at the end of the season 2017 season?

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) Keller, Glasnow, Bell, Hayes, Diaz...I can't figure out who the "SP currently in MLB" is, unless they're just naming Glasnow twice. Not a big fan of that deal. Meadows, Glasnow/Keller (I prefer Glasnow because the White Sox are great at fixing control issues), Bell, Hayes probably gets it done for me. Meadows, Glasnow/Keller, & Bell would be way better than the Sale return and then you throw in another prospect who is considered top 100 on some lists. No way in hell that is happening. And rumbunter said Diaz wasn't in the package, so perhaps that 4th prospect is Craig or Tucker. If Hahn passed on a deal with either of those guys plus Glasnow, Keller, Newman, & others then he's f***ijg crazy IMO. That being said, I don't buy this rumor for a second.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) Rum Bunter ‏@rumbunter 12h12 hours ago More Pirate prospects in Baseball America's new top 100: 6 - Austin Meadows 22 - Mitch Keller 23 - Tyler Glasnow 35 - Josh Bell 55 - Kevin Newman Rum Bunter ‏@rumbunter 1h1 hour ago More @rbrockets They offered 3 top 50 overall prospects, another one of their top 10 prospects, a current MLB SP, and another current MLB player I don't believe this for one second There's no way in hell the Sox turned down a package like that. And no way I buy them offering a 6 for 1 deal unless one of those MLB players had a bad contract like Bastardo.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 08:29 AM) Now Trump will be involved in MLB through his in-laws. More conflicts of interest...or intrusion of politics into sports. The New York Times revealed the potential buyer to be Joshua Kushner, a New York City venture capitalist whose older brother Jared is married to Ivanka Trump. Jared Kushner is senior advisor to President Donald Trump. But the Times reported that neither Jared Kushner nor his father, Charles Kushner, are involved in ongoing talks to buy the team. Instead, Joshua Kushner and Joseph Meyer, his brother-in-law, have been engaged in talks with the Marlins for months about buying the team. Kushner and Meyer have “devised a complicated arrangement that would include bringing in partners later” in order to buy the franchise, according to the Times. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miam...l#storylink=cpy Caulfield, I think you're a great poster, but my god do you know how to derail a thread.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 09:52 PM) Explains the Kevan Smith move. Coincidentally, today's Fangraph article says Wieters is just ok. However just ok is a hell of an improvement over last year. He be could a solid flip candidate. Maybe he gets hot and hits a few extra HRs at the Cell and improves his value.

Would explain the Smith move, although not seeing this anywhere.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 09:30 PM) Is that the lowest (worst) we've seen on Kopech and Giolito? Yes, but highest for Lopez & Collins.

Of note, Martes & Tucker ranked #15 & #19 respectively.

Don't know much about him personally, but as a sports owner he seemed like a good dude. RIP.