Chicago White Sox

Sure, if we move Vaughn we could probably get him. But not sure I get the fit with Torres though. He’s a really poor defender and another RH hitter who has consistently been in the 55th to 65th percentile for xwOBA. Giving up Vaughn to get three arb years of what might just be a 2 win 2B doesn’t seem worthwhile to me. Why not just sign Escobar for a small cash outlay and keep Andrew?

I don’t see what we could possibly offer the Yankees for Torres and don’t see him as a viable option. As for RF, we should not be making any plans around Cespedes. We really need to stop dicking around with half-ass stopgaps and just sign Conforto. We need a LH hitter and there is unlikely to be someone potentially as impactful at that price point.

Are you Jon Werner?

Like one of three posters I have on ignore. Dude literally contributes nothing to this board.

PM me an email address and I can send to you.

I think you’re missing my point. Most of the guys in the $8M to $10M aren’t going to sign up for a bullpen role and be seventh in the pecking order behind Giolito, Lynn, Cease, Keuchel, Rodon, & Kopech heading into last season. They took roles in which they had a shot at immediate starting roles. I fully agree with you that we need more guys able to jump into the rotation and eat innings, but practically no teams can afford multiple $10M starters in their bullpen. It’s simply not realistic. And when you factor in a strict operating budget, it’s going to be even more challenging to have Dodgers like rotation depth. We should have signed some guys to minor league deals though. Fully agree there.

Because Rogan probably said it on his podcast

Which starters in the $8 to $10M ranger took bullpen roles? And what other cuts would have you made to fit another $16M to $20M worth of pitchers in the budget? I agree the pitching depth to the enter the season last year was a bit scary, but I honestly don’t think your proposal is very realistic outside of the most elite spenders.

You lost me at trading Lance Lynn. Like it literally would never happen after signing that extension and it doesn’t make a lick of sense IMO. You simply don’t trade a guy like Lance when you’re trying to win a World Series.

Just to be clear, I’m not projecting us to win 112 games, that model just spits out a projected W-L based on total fWAR. That being said, we put up 52.4 fWAR with an insane amount of injuries, our starters slowing down towards the end, and several massive holes that are theoretically being addressed in the above proposal. Obviously the projections above highly optimistic and aren’t projecting enough things to go wrong, but we have a fairly young roster and we should exceed last year’s total fWAR with enough additions and don’t have insane bad injury luck again. 100+ wins should be the goal, especially in a shitty AL Central.

That makes sense. From my perspective, you already got Lopez in the major league plus Stiever, Lambert, & perhaps McClure in AAA. I’d try for someone like Terehan or Folty on a minor league deal and maybe another arm who could be stretched in the bullpen. Just seems like it’s hard / unrealistic to have three veteran #4 / #5 types in a bullpen unless you’re a team like the Dodgers. That’s why having consistent waves of pitching prospects, even B & C tier ones, is so important because you need roster a lot of these guys in AAA.

If I’m Hahn, I’m definitely calling up Farhan and selling him on how Dallas and his gold glove caliber defense could really help them out next year. ?

I don’t disagree, but at the same time the division is an absolute joke so there is some margin for error there. Out of curiosity, what do you have in mind for the rotation?

Come on man, @ron883 is a legit good dude. He may troll from time to time and his hatred for Jose Abreu borderlines on personal, but you can tell he has a great moral compass. Saying you want people like him to die out is pretty extreme and would be like saying you want 90% of the world wiped out.

I can’t wrap my brain on who wins this one, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

Agree.

Exactly, even if you’re bros with Bowman, now is not the time to come to his defense. It just minimizes the experiences of the victim.

This hasn’t nothing to do with refusing to admit they made a mistake and everything to do with the fact Kimbrel is movable on a one year deal. The decision is effectively $14M and you’re completely naive to think teams wouldn’t be interested at that price point. Hahn will have done his due diligence prior to picking up that option and it will end up being a low risk move no matter how much you ridicule it for being stupid.

Coach forcefully performs oral sex on player. Story leaks out about said incident. Unrelated player then taunts the victim and asks “did you like that blow job”? How did this person not ridicule Beach for being sexually assaulted and how did they not know the whole story? I guess he didn’t bring up the ejaculating on his back part of it, so I guess it’s proof of just “boys being boys”. Again, Toews didn’t make the comment, but he should have protected the kid and it doesn’t sound like he did shit. And that’s my biggest thing for the guy who is supposed to be the leader of the locker room. I don’t blame him at all for being a 22 year old kid during a championship run and not alerting the authorities that a teammate was sexually assaulted. But I do think he’s probably lying about when he found out and his Stan Bowman Stanning after getting canned food as highly insensitive and minimizes what Kyle Beach endured. And I think he should have done more to protect the kid when he found out. It doesn’t make him an evil person, but it does make me think he just may be a shitty leader.

I’m not asking to cancel him or strip his C. And trust me, I’m 100% guilty of using words I wouldn’t use as an adult. My clear distinction here is mocking someone for being sexually assaulted, which isn’t just “locker room” talk. These guys clearly knew the Beach story and at least one guy lacked all compassion and actually ridiculed the kid for it. This is like making fun of rape victim for being raped. That is sadistic and goes beyond what’s acceptable in the high testosterone world of sports. Again, I don’t think Toews should be canceled, but I do think people should seriously question him as a leader and his comments yesterday in regard to Bowman only further add to that.

This is my "realistic" scenario with a $175M payroll. I've tried to address all needs (RF, 2B, BC, rotation, bullpen depth) while also improving the overall balance of the lineup. I think the biggest stretch is Keuchel for La Stella, but still think that could be a possibility given his huge salary increase in 2023 and the fact that 80% of the Giants' rotation is hitting free agency. Starting pitching depth is a concern, which is why I'd target Teheran (or someone similar) for a minor league deal. Also, not shown in the roster build but I'd bring back Jimmy Cordero (optioning him to AAA) and let him be the next man up in the bullpen.

Common male behavior to ridicule someone for being sexually assaulted? You actually think that’s acceptable and you’re cool Captain Toews looked the other way?

You’re right, I’m sure Toews is just hearing about it now for the first time. Not like these guys talk to one another in camp and clearly mocking someone by saying “did you enjoy that blowiob” in front of a bunch of people wouldn’t get around.

Maybe not let one of their teammates call Beach a slur and mock his sexual assault? This happened on the ice and I find it hard to believe your beloved Captain wasn’t present.

You’re very naive Jack.