Chicago White Sox

I kind of read it the same way, but Hahn speaks lawyer so hard to be too certain about anything he says.

Yes, the idea is you can’t turn around and trade a guy who accepts the QO right away. The power shifts to player, at least until mid-season.

Confirmed players being extended a QO: Nick Castellanos, Reds Michael Conforto, Mets Freddie Freeman, Braves Robbie Ray, Blue Jays Corey Seager, Dodgers Marcus Semien, Blue Jays Trevor Story, Rockies Noah Syndergaard, Mets Other players that could receive one: Carlos Correa, Astros (will 100% get one) Jon Gray, Rockies Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers Carlos Rodón, White Sox Eduardo Rodriguez, Red Sox Chris Taylor, Dodgers Justin Verlander, Tigers Less than three hours to go! The longer this drags, the less convinced they will QO Rodon.

If Rodon accepts the QO, the Sox can’t trade Rodon until June unless he agrees to a trade.

Can’t trade Rodon until June if he accepts the QO without his consent.

If they don’t offer Rodon a QO, it’s because they’re rather spend that $18.4M on a better and/or safer pitcher. And the Sox aren’t going to keep “Kimbrall” and there is absolutely no connect between him and Rodon.

They have greatly overhauled their pro scouting department and I think that shows with their most recent moves. At some point you have to move past the Fernando Tatis, which probably reflects a low point for the organization. And yeah, a lot contending teams have young talent and so do the Sox, so not sure what your point is there. The Dodgers traded two of their best prospects to add two veterans at the deadline because that’s what good teams do at the deadline.

100% agree. If we trade him for a bad contract, it’s an incredibly stupid move. I still think we should be able to get an interesting, less proven reliever for him or a couple of C caliber prospects.

Fully agree with you here. I just get frustrated that people simply look at his two months with the Sox and act like he’s the worst reliever of all time. When the guy is going right, Kimbrel is as good as anyone in the game.

Spot on. Other fans will look at his season in aggregate and say “I can get a reliever who put up the 5th most fWAR in all of baseball for a song”. I bet Phillies’ fans would be ecstatic to give up someone like Seranthony Dominguez for one year of Kimbrel at $16M. These fans aren’t going to overreact his 22 inning bad stretch with the Sox.

1) Why is he likely to decline the offer? Gausman & Stroman accepted their QO’s last year. 2) When have the Sox ever had a +$170M payroll? We’re entering unprecedented waters here. Regardless, maybe Scherzer is too ambitious (although the likely short-term nature of a potential contract would be attractive to Jerry), but a different pitcher in the $20M to $25M AAV range. Plenty of guys like that in this class and we did sign off on a 5/$125M offer to Wheeler. 3) This just completely ignores the concept of a budget. And optioning Cease is one of the most insane things I’ve ever heard of. A pitcher’s arm only has so many bullets and you should be using them at the major league level once those pitches are value add. The reality is if Rodon is here, there won’t be another significant starter added. And that’s the truth whether we keep include Keuchel or not.

Why?

How so? I literally just showed he had a 51.2 inning stretch of elite performance across the 2020 & 2021 seasons. That’s 54% of his total innings in that time. Ignore his two month period with us and 70% of his time with the Cubs was elite. People are overreacting to 20 shit innings in 2019 (when he didn’t have a spring training) and one bad inning in 2020. Soxtalk’s narrative on Kimbrel is completely off base.

Honestly, the OF market isn’t that deep and given he’s left-handed, there should be plenty of suitors. He’ll lose a little bit on the AAV side of things due to the draft pick attached to him, but I’d be shocked if he takes the QO.

Is it the obvious right decision if you’d rather have someone like Scherzer in the rotation?

James Fegan, the smartest beat writer in my lifetime, seems to think Kimbrel has some value on a 1/$16M deal. ?

I actually liked it, but it’s definitely a long, slow burn movie that won’t resonate with everyone.

This is just dumb.

Just like he overrated Lynn & Hendriks? Haven’t heard you complain too much about those additions. Also, not sure how to tell you this, but when you’re a competitive team at the trade deadline, you’re typically adding veterans. I’m not sure why you consistently use that word as being some sort of negative. The rebuild has been over for some time.

His option is only worth $16M FYI. Also, if he’s traded, the money is being spent elsewhere, so if you have a high degree of confidence he can be moved, why not extract something of value? A piece like Dominguez could be very helpful given how thin our bullpen is at the moment.

More stretches of terribad? Do you ever do any research or just spew non stop garbage? Here is a breakdown of Kimbrel’s stats of the last three years: 2019 (Full Year): 20.2 innings | 8.00 FIP | 4.75 xFIP 2020 (July only): 1.1 innings | 33.94 FIP | 18.78 xFIP 2020 (Aug to Oct): 14.0 innings | 1.12 FIP | 2.36 xFIP 2021 (Apr to Jul): 37.2 innings | 1.10 FIP | 1.97 xFIP 2021 (Aug to Oct): 22.0 innings | 4.71 FIP | 3.85 xFIP Over the past few years he pitched a total of 95.2 innings and had a 3.88 FIP and 3.29 xFIP. However, in the middle of this period he had a 51.2 inning stretch across 2020 & 2021 where he put up a 1.10 FIP & 2.08 xFIP. 54% of his innings during this period, including the vast majority of 2020, have been elite. I love people rip his 2020 season for being part of his “downward spiral” but don’t have a clue that it was greatly understated because of one horrific inning to start the year. So again, I ask you why does he suddenly suck? What changed when the calendar turned to August and he changed uniforms? Is the velocity drop due to him being gassed out with a large innings increase? Why are you weighting his go forward performance so much heavier on the last 22 innings rather the 51.2 innings preceding them? I know you’ll have no answer and will just say he sucks and go back to living your incredibly pessimistic life, but it would be nice for once if people like you could actually have rationale arguments when declaring someone sucks with full conviction.

I’m sorry, but why is Jansen only getting a one year deal? And you think they should keep Dominguez so they can trade only god knows what for Hader? As for Iglesias, he’s the top reliever on the market, so he’ll likely get paid extremely well. Maybe five years is pushing it, but four seems incredibly attainable. Also, if there is no CBA, doesn’t that just temporarily pause the free agent process? I don’t see why that has a significant impact on eventual spending. Once a CBA is in place, teams will spend like usual.

Why people keep using Keith Law as gospel? He’s a smart baseball guy no doubt, but he’s also not an active front office member (probably for good reason) and wouldn’t have that much better of a read on the market value of Kimbrel than any of us.

I had Dominguez coming back. Why is that generous? Great arm but dude only has three years of control left, is coming off injury, hasn’t seen all his velocity return, missed all of 2020, and performed poorly in the minors last year. If I’m the Phillies, I’d seriously consider giving up him for Kimbrel if the alternative was giving Iglesias a 4 or 5 year deal for massive dollars (and I say this is a massive Iglesias fan). Given the volatility of relievers, there is real value in short-term commitments.

No way they go with Leury as the starting 2B. They may go cheap at 2B, but if they bring back Leury it will be in a super utility role.