Chicago White Sox

Oh I’m not saying they should have traded those two, just saying there was a way to get a deal done if the Sox were compelled to. Not sure where they go to from here if they’re unwilling to trade Vaughn or tap into multiple pieces at the very top end of the system.

That’s what they’re doing, unfortunately it takes time though and the pandemic really fucked over the first wave in Thompson & Dalquist. Hopefully they and Kelly can rebound this year because we invested a ton in those three kids.

Baseball America has a 45 FV grade on the kid the Padres gave up, while Montgomery & Kath are 55 FV guys and Popeye is a 50 FV. I know their valuations aren’t the end all be all, but Montgomery at minimum is a far superior prospect IMO. Now, Popeye is probably a fair comp, although he’s already proven himself at a level higher and I’d like to think that makes him a little bit more valuable. Regardless, this wasn’t a massive package like some were speculating and it’s one we could have beaten. Let’s say Popeye is off the table, I still think something like Ramos + Thompson would arguably be a better combo than what the A’s got here and still provided them with youth (although they haven’t been entirely focused on younger prospects in their trades).

Yeah, luckily most GMs don’t just leverage stat lines from a rookie season when evaluating young players and will consider scouting reports, prospect pedigree, development time, etc to develop their own go-forward projections.

In my opinion, the Sox could have easily beaten this if they wanted to. And it’s very clear they’re aware that they need another starter. As such, perhaps there is a different starting pitcher they are close on? Obviously Montas is an option, but the Reds still have Castillo & Mahnle. The problem there is you’re probably talking Vaughn or bust, although the Reds didn’t exactly get a haul for two years of Gray.

The price was steep?

The Pilkington giveaway? I was one of a handful of people on this board who actually liked Pilkington and even I didn’t have an issue trading him for Hernandez because he was a low floor prospect who would have needed to be protected on the 40 man. I don’t recall you ever complaining once about “giving away” Pilkington when the trade was first made.

And Josh Nelson was saying on Twitter Manaea would cost Colson Montgomery…lol No idea how we couldn’t find a package better than what the Padres gave up here.

If Hahn trades Vaughn for Montas then I’m moving to Asheville to get even farther from this god forsaken franchise.

Doesn’t seem like something we couldn’t have beaten.

@VAfan - Still feel like we shouldn’t trade for Manaea?

What have you diagnosed him with?

Yeah, kind of important for the Mets to weigh in on a trade involving them

So you must hate Pollock & Engel then?

I think it’s totally fair to call out Madrigal for his lack of durability, but the kid was a valuable hitter when he played which is the point ChiSox59 was making. It’s silly to say that rate based stats aren’t important.

Not sure I follow.

The two A ball clubs are going to be real fun this year.

Bummer on Vera missing two months

Need to acquire Manaea first for any chance of that happening

Big difference

I really can’t see it costing that much. I’d value Sheets + Kath or Ramos higher than what the A’s got for Bassitt.

Again, you are moving the goalposts here. You argued both that Kimbrel was clearly going to be a disaster and that we didn’t need a closer in the first place. We debated that first point for weeks and you refused to acknowledge the fact the Dodgers & Rays being highly interested in Kimbrel mattered at all. Now, because a post Theo Cubs front office paid significant dollars for Suzuki is proof that he would have been a smart addition? What exactly have the Cubs done to demonstrate this elite scouting ability? Wasn’t the reason they had to rebuild is because they failed to create a pipeline of young talent beyond their original core? Also, what other teams were interested in Suzuki that are tremendous at scouting?

Lol…I love you use the “better and smarter FOs” point to support a Suzuki signing, but ignore it completely when it came to a Kimbrel acquisition.

I am disgusted by the amount of people on Twitter who think the cost for Manaea would be Andrew Vaughn. Just crazy how much the common fan (and Phil Rogers) struggles with player valuation.

We literally have no one to replace him after 5 to 10 starts though.