Chicago White Sox

I’d be more open to a deal with Quintana if a second year isn’t fully guaranteed, but I do worry he’s a guy whose stuff is so marginal now that he comes here and gives us innings but simply isn’t effective.

I think this is somewhat misleading. Richards had a partial tear in his UCL back in 2016 and avoided TJS, which I think was a poor decision and simply delayed the inevitable. I’m willing to gamble that he’s finally healthy with TJS now behind him and last year he was able to pitch a full workload (limited season I know). I’m not expecting 200 innings out of the guy, but if I can get a 100 quality innings from him for ~$8M I’ll happily take that. IMO, having Lopez and Stiever to a lesser degree allow us to gamble on a guy with a higher ceiling but more health risk.

I get the argument, but I think he gets something like 2/$20M and I don’t want to commit $10M to Quintana for the 2022 season. I’d rather gamble on Richards’ upside and then pivot to Lopez for innings if Kopech isn’t ready yet.

I have more faith in Richards maintaining health now that he’s had TJS because it seems like the Angels mishandled his past elbow problems and simply delayed the inevitable. I also feel that Richards has some untapped potential with the right pitching coach as weird as that is to say for a 32 year old pitcher, but physically there is a lot to like with his arsenal even if it has some flaws.

Musgrove is who I want, but it all comes down to price. If someone is willing to offer a top 100 prospect, the only way we’re in the ballpark is by offering Jared Kelley. Are we willing to sell him now when his value could escalate fairly quickly with even one full ball season? If they’re willing to take something centered around Thompson, one of Adolfo/Rutherford/Sheets, and then one of our young rookie ball / low A guys (say Beard), then I’m 100% for it. Just not sure that’s going to get a deal done unfortunately.

Tanaka is going to get a lot more than $8M per on a multi-year deal, so not exactly a perfect substitute for Richards in the area I’m expecting us to operate in financially.

Who you thinking?

I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt that now his elbow issues have been addressed that perhaps he can stay heathy to a certain extent. At $8M or so you’re not going to get a sure thing starter with any sort of ceiling. It’s no doubt a roll of the dice, but that’s the range we’re likely playing in and short of a trade I’m not sure which free agent I’d prefer. I’d go after Paxton if Reinsdorf was willing to “splurge”, but I think he gets more than Kluber did and that might cost us a bat like La Stella. I can see the argument for Quintana, but I’d imagine he’s looking for a two year deal and that’s not a commitment I’m willing to make. Would you rather have Chris Archer or Adam Wainwright over Richards? Look, Jerry should just nut up and sign Bauer, but that ain’t happening after the Hendriks signing, so now we must decide whether to trade for someone impactful or sign a guy with question marks in free agency.

Would 100% agree then.

So do I, but the Sox seem committed to build him up as a future starter out of the bullpen this year.

Witch Crochet & Lopez likely to be relievers next year, there really isn’t room for a guy like Yates.

I didn’t look at the package, but yes I would agree with that sentiment.

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Oh shit that’s out?

I can’t wait for you all to be disappointed! Pure speculation, but I’m predicting something around 1/$8M being leaked by Sunday.

Figured it’s about to time for a dedicated thread since this seems bound to happen.

Same here

I’m still shocked Adam he got an $7M salary and $8M guaranteed, but I still think $5M would be about right for him. So an overpay, but not a $4M overpay necessarily.

That’s too bad but seemed like the most likely outcome

Honestly, I think they simply bring someone in on a minor league deal. Give Collins a shot to win the job in the spring and if he fails you have a decent insurance option.

Isn’t he god awful defensively at this point? If so, just give Collins a shot.

Rick must not like those “La Russa is GM” comments.

Rosenthal confirmed that Hendriks’ contract would count as $18M/year from 2021 to 2023 for luxury tax purposes and potentially zero for 2024 assuming the rules remain the same under the new CBA.

You’d make him the odds on favorite to win the NL Cy Young based on awesome nine starts?