Chicago White Sox

Total BS. Vaughn & Dunning would be the starting point for either guy not both of them.

Ray has been horrible this year, so can’t imagine he’d cost much to acquire. And in all honesty, he’d be a questionable addition given his control issues at the moment.

Hmm...that’s a pretty good point.

Yup, I absolutely love Dunning, but Kopech has a best starter in baseball type ceiling if he further develops his changeup.

I really, really hope not.

Yeah, it does make a ton of sense to be honest.

There is zero chance Vaughn ever sees A+ ball short of a future rehab stint. He’s either coming up at some point this year or most likely starts 2021 in AAA for a few weeks. The Sox aren’t going to slow play Vaughn when they see their window opening.

Mods - Can we close this one or merge with the other?

Fully agree. I could live with losing Dunning for Lynn, but I definitely would hate to see him go.

Oh fuck it may just happen

I wonder what they’d be targeting from the Brewers?

Depends which Ray you’re getting

I thought about Eovaldi before as a salary dump, but the problem is he’d more or less be your rotation addition for the next couple years and I don’t have enough confidence in him.

Just depends what they’re trading them for. Top 50 prospects usually only get moved for high-end controllable talent and four of the guys you listed fit the ball. I’m not overly concerned about losing Stiever and especially not Mendick. And I’d wouldn’t sleep over losing Dunning in the right trade even though I’d try avoiding moving him if at all possible.

I think he was one of the most major league bats in recent draft memory and it sounds like the Sox really like what they’ve seen from him in Schaumburg.

All good! Just couldn’t connect the dots, but now your post makes a ton of sense.

If we're mapping out our near-term rotation plans, here's how I have things shaking out assuming the addition of Lynn and based on a theoretical acquisition cost of Lopez, Stiever, Collins, & Adolfo.

Sorry @bmags, but I’m stealing your post and putting it here as well.

What am I missing here with Fry and why does he matter at all? You must be referring to someone else, but for the life of me I can’t figure it out.

But why? Vaughn is more or less ready and you’d be taking a big money for a need that doesn’t really exist.

I think we only sign one of Cespedes or Colas given the funds we have left. To me Yoelkis is the get as he’d add plus defense in RF whereas Colas sounds fairly questionable with the glove. Either way, adding either one of those guys changes the long-term thought process when it comes to RF.

Oh shit, I didn’t realize he got hurt, thought he had simply opted-out due to COVID. Ignore the dollar amounts I quoted then. I’d still be willing to take him on a shorter-term contract though if he only costs money and no elite options are available via trade.

To me, it’s not necessarily about redundancy but more around price. You can never have enough bullpen weapons come playoff time and that value would be factored into the cost of a Hader.

He’d cost us all our major chips and IMO he represents more of a luxury than a need.

Resources are limited though and we should not waste them on lateral moves. Seager costs us $18M next year and money that could be used towards RF. The prospects you’re talking about giving up could be two major pieces for a legit TOR starter this offseason. Personally, if a guy like DeGrom isn’t available this coming offseason, I’d rather just keep Kopech & Madrigal, sign someone like Stroman to a 4/$80M deal, and acquire the best stop-gap RF that can buy us a year until hopefully a Cespedes or Colas is ready (assuming we sign one of them).