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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) I wouldn't do this...Edwin + Matt are worth more than another problem child. I still think we owe it to ourselves to ride Edwin out and win this division. My guess is if it gets done it will be Matt and a minor leaguer not named Viciedo. i dont see us winning the division with this offense. but this trade isnt happening anyways

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) Which would make him the third best hitter on the team...I'll take it! well thats not saying much, comparing him to frank and cabrera is moronic

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) The only decent player in our farm system. That's ridiculous. The hype around Viciedo is out of control. You have barely seen the guy play and his most productive time came in meaningless September games and you call him the best hitter since Frank? To say he is better than Konerko is insulting and there are plenty of other guys who he will have a very difficult time matching.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:29 PM) This sounds like an exact description of Alex Rios. except that rios is no longer a Cf, he has proven that he will never reach his so called potential and he is grossly overpaid

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) If we did acquire Rasmus, I can guarantee that Rios would not be kept in CF. agreed. i would do matt and edwin for colby, we need a cf and he was a pretty productive hitter as a 23yr old

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 11:21 AM) If we trade what I believe to be our best pure hitter since Frank Thomas and a guy who's only getting better (and I am notoriously cynical of prospects) for a guy with a .258 career batting average, I'm gonna quit. Well, no...I could never quit on this team. I'll probably just cry like a b****. But seriously, this is so stupid. No deal for Rasmus should include anything more than Thornton. If Viciedo goes, we're the stupidest team in baseball. who are you talking about?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2011 -> 11:53 PM) Hummmmmm - dun dun dunnnnnnnnn FutureSox FutureSox.com Dayan Viciedo pulled after 6 innings in Charlotte... Is this finally it? 1 hour ago It's hilarious that every time a guy sits a game or comes out early people think he is being traded or a big roster move is coming. 95% of the time that is not the reason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 01:55 PM) No way doc, at least Erstad had the decency to get injured! haha I just read his bio, he was the first leadoff man ever to get 100 RBIs. didnt know that but he still sucked

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 01:13 PM) This guy has legitimately never had a chance to get going in the majors. I think he could be a decent leadoff man. I think I hated Erstad more than any player the last 10 years

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) Any one know how to write to KW ? It's time we had a heart to heart. Yes but I am pretty sure it would be a bad idea for me to post that on the board.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 04:37 PM) But if they did get another pitcher, say someone like Beachy back for Carlos, that allows the Sox to trade a starter for another bat. it would but i am not a big fan of those conditional deals hoping you will do something else. and i dont know who we can trade to get another bat as good as carlos unless we deal danks

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) 2011 Carlos Quentin - .859 OPS 2010 Dayan Viciedo - .840 OPS (104 at bats) It's not entirely out of the question, especially considering Viciedo was not given consistent at bats when up with the big club last season and seems to have taken another step this season as well. that OPS was inflated by a hot last week of the season against AAA pitching. i think prior to that week his average was a lot lower. i agree its not entirely out of the question, i just dont think it will happen. but even if he matched carlos, it doesn't improve the offense. we need both of them in the lineup to improve

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 04:03 PM) Yes, I'd call that giving up. Acquiring a 7th starter right now and having to figure out what to do with that? Yeesh. I would call it giving up too and not improving at all. Dayan is not going to produce like Carlos this year.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) Pierre - LF Ramirez - DH Konerko - 1B Quentin - RF Pierzynski - C Rios - CF Vizquel - SS Beckham - 2B Morel - 3B f*** Bruce Chen! What a punchless lineup. I have no interest in seeing those last 5 guys bat.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) I don't think there is any doubt he is not 100% right now. I don't know whether that is conditioning or him still being hurt, but he isn't there right now. Well I guess that all depends on what you expect 100% to look like...

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) Honestly, I think there's a good chance he'd be fine. By all accounts he has multiple pitches he can throw for strikes and his peripherals are incredible. I'd like to see him stop in AAA first so we can see how he does against some seasoned hitters with more plate discipline, but I would be surprised if we don't see him up here by September at the latest He only has one big league pitch. His slider and change are below average and he doesnt even throw a curve.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 02:00 PM) At some level...that 25-5 run last year was sort of a shame...because after the month of May that Rios had last year, June/July was probably a time when he could not only have been traded but moved for a decent return as well. this is 100% correct

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) And MacDougal/Linebrink are the first two times in KW's tenure we admitted a mistake and sent money the other way or just flat-out ate a contract. My argument is that he stuck with those guys forever and gave them way TOO many chances before he cut them loose. At their point, their value collectively was basically less than zero. Well, I guess we saved a couple of million with Linebrink, but we ate the majority of his 2011 deal. He's stuck with Rios over 3 seasons when he's been worse than Brian Anderson for 80% of that time. what do you want him to do with rios? his mistake was picking him up not sticking with him

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) The only ones he really dealt or wrote off quickly were Cabrera (who was already a FA) and Swisher. Look how long he held onto Javy. MacDougal. Linebrink way too long. Teahen. Tony Pena. Contreras after his last Sox contract. He had dealt guys like Julio Ramirez where there was very little financial risk....D'Angelo Jimenez, Lofton, etc. But very rarely when he's given up something significant in acquiring aforementioned player. And undoubtedly he was backed into a position of weakness where he got the lowest possible return on Swisher after buying at the highest possible value. If he didn't give a shi-, then there was absolutely no reason 4 weeks ago to TRY Viciedo and see if he'd catch fire. Ramirez could have hit leadoff. Pierre's value wouldn't have been affected in the least. In fact, we're not going to get anything for him if he plays everyday for the next 15 days or doesn't play at all. Javy was only 3 years and his second year was fairly decent. He gave us a lot of innings but just was awful in big games. Linebrink he kept way too long because he signed him to an awful contract, I am certain he was trying to dump him for a long time. Teahan also has a bad contract or else he would probably be gone. It is not the easiest thing to do to get rid of these bad deals unless you can find a sucker to take them on waivers...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) Unless we dump an equal or greater amount of salary, it ain't happening. or an undisciplined AAA guy with a lot of power

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 13, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) It is his fault. It's amazing how different the past two years might have been had Peavy just accepted the trade in May. No ankle injury = no compensation for it in 09. Meaning no mechanical screw ups in 2010. Meaning less stress on his arm, meaning possibly no detached lat. Who knows how much better the Sox might have been with a completely healthy and good Jake Peavy in 09 and 10? I believe he also had an elbow injury the year before we acquired him so more injuries were foreseeable.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:48 AM) Yep, if you actually want to contend next year, I really hope our outfield is Quentin/Rios/Viciedo. i hope its Q/V and anybody but Rios but i know that is dreaming

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:29 AM) I'd take Viciedo over anyone else in our outfield besides Quentin. no question about it. expecting him to be better than Carlos is asking a lot. wanting to replace Carlos with Dayan doesn't make us any better

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 09:38 AM) Um...one of the 3 minor leaguers in the list put up an .840 OPS last year. in 100 ABs and helped by a meaningless last half of september when nobody cares

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) People that are blaming the relief appearance for Peavy's crumminess baffle me. What if somebody pitches in the all star game in relief after pitching Saturday or something. And they come back and suck. I guess there will be those who blame the all star appearance. I agree Greg. At some point people are going to have to accept that he is not a great pitcher anymore and stop making excuses. He, like Jackson, may have a dominant game every so often but the ace potential is gone and an extended rest won't help.