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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) He clearly doesn't like the Sox, but what is there really to like about the organization right now? Not much. And I hate this we can still win while rebuilding garbage.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) Disagree. One of the two guys from the Padres, and possibly Marinez from the Marlins, will stick with big league team before July 31st. We just opened up another spot in the pen with the Frasor move. As far as defining impact, Hernandez could evolve into the Matt Thornton role quite easily. That LH reliever slot in the 7th-8th inning is plenty impactful, IMO. Get the general point...let's just see how the next 24 months play out and then we can argue about all of these guys, including Zach Stewart. You sure are confident that the majority of the Sox farm system will pan out. Considering the Sox track record of producing adequate major league contributors via the farm, I think you should lessen your expectations a bit.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 02:05 PM) The kid we got from the Padres has all the ability in the world to be a B+ or better, just like Molina. You start the Futures Game, that means everyone is baseball is aware of your existence. Castro certainly has the ability, but after a disastrous 2011 season he needs to translate that ability to results once again.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 02:04 PM) We've loaded up on C/C+ prospects. That really can't move a system that much, really at all. Bingo. The only impact (arguable) prospect Kenny has acquired thus far is Nestor Molina.

What's the payroll sitting at now? I wonder if Kenny is done trimming.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:35 PM) I don't care how good your farm system is, if a guy isn't in your top 20, he's not very elite, even if it makes him a top 5 or top 10 in the White Sox system. No one has claimed any of these prospects are elite. They are the return for Jason f***ing Frasor. A projectable prep arm who could end up being a 4th or 5th starter, or long reliever is a mildly interesting return for a salary dump. What's the problem with that?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:20 PM) According to Sickels, these guys aren't in Toronto's top 25, so while there is always a chance either could pan out, they probably won't, which indicates to me, salary dump. Of course it's a salary dump. But Jaye is interesting. Not Nestor Molina interesting, but a projectable prep arm interesting. And not being in the top 25 doesn't tell the whole story considering the Blue Jays have the best farm system in baseball.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) I doubt the plan was to pick up his option and trade him before spring training, although I suppose its possible. I'd probably agree. Just saying Jaye is mildly interesting as a prospect.

Now trade Floyd and call it an offseason.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 01:04 PM) There doesn't seem to be much "value". The 22 year old has been terrible and the other kid the Sox passed on drafting 17 times. I don't necessarily think this is a bad trade, it may enable the Sox to sign the Cuban or bring someone else on board, but the current return is really nothing and considering they could have let him walk for nothing, it makes picking up his option a curious decision, but as it works out, no harm, no foul. Jaye has some value. The Sox and others likely passed on him because he was seeking and received an overslot bonus. Hopefully you know by now how utterly cheap the Sox are in the draft.

Meh.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) I am sorry but I don't agree with Balta that this trade had to happen. Shedding salary is one thing, but KW said we would be only trading for major league ready prospects. These two guys aren't it. Maybe Kenny needs a lesson on how to rebuild and remain competitive? I am very dissapointed to say the least. We had a real good player in CQ. He swings a good bat with power. He is a hardnosed player. We basicaly gave him away. Why do people think that teams are willing to give up quality, cheap, and major league ready prospects so easily? These are known as assets, and teams that have them generally would like to keep them unless they are blocked or are being traded for high end established veterans. Carlos Quentin doesn't warrant such a return.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 1, 2012 -> 11:00 AM) Doesn't the phrase "Sustained excellence" require that you also compete in 2012? Because otherwise you're not "Sustaining" excellence, you've taken a year off from it. The Sox aren't close to sustaining anything remotely similar to excellence at this point.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) Thornton's got to be next to go it seems I'd rather see Floyd go. But I'm one who would be selling most of the roster.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:46 PM) http://topprospectalert.com/2011/10/22/201...spect-rankings/ What an awful list. More so the order. The hell?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) K. Goldstein was just on The Score and said he looks destined for a 7th-8th inning job. He said that about Hernandez and his ceiling.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) So, does Castro have any chance at being a starter long-term or are these 2 hopeful bullpen additions? Goldstein was just on the score. He views Hernandez as a fringy bullpen type. Castro still has a middle of the rotation ceiling if he can figure things out. His mechanics and repeatability are the problems.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) His value really isn't that high, don't be mad at KW for this, be mad at CQ for not staying healthy. You think a ton of teams will be lining up to take on that $7-8mm for an oft-injured, decent bat but below average defender corner OF? You guys are crazy if you expected anything special coming back. Russ is right. Carlos has little surplus value. Injury risk, 1 year to free agency, no guarantee of draft pick compensation, and will receive a substantial amount via arbitration.

Simon Castro used to be a pretty good prospect. Via Sickels 2010 Year in Review: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/8/8/16...dres-top-20-pre Then a disasterous 2011 happened, and he fell off the 2012 list entirely. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/8/4/23...pects-in-review

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 29, 2011 -> 07:44 PM) So based on where our pick will be, how does Kenny best go about doing this? If you were him. No idea at this point. I haven't given it much thought since the recent changes and I haven't memorized the ins and outs of the entire CBA yet. There is still an opportunity to be cheap in the draft though. If the organization just stays the course with the reasoning that the draft changes will simply reign everyone else in, I'll be a bit upset. I want to see a commitment to take the best players available, and I want to see them use the majority of the money they are alotted according to the new guidelines. That's all I can really hope for.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 29, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) Still don't see how they can be worse than the Marlins if Marinez and Martinez were middle of the Top 10 picks before with that team. Definitely 26-30....pending what moves occur with Floyd, Thornton and Quentin. Santos Rodriguez and Jon Gilmore have completely disappeared into oblivion...but at least Lilly and Flowers can still give us something back. Marinez and Martinez were middle of the Marlins top 10 prospects (depending on who you asked. They were 7th and 10th for Sickels) before both having down years. The stock of both have fallen.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 29, 2011 -> 05:57 PM) What choice is there, other than to mire in misery and self-flagellation? I guess we can pick on Joe Cowley, KW or Ozzie, but that's getting a tad bit tedious, as well. I'll start being optimistic toward rebuilding the farm if Kenny actually uses his entire draft allotment this coming season.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 29, 2011 -> 04:23 PM) I hate when people complain about the farm too. Way to again put it in perspective for those who dog the system. I hope some people actually read what you just wrote. Is this for real? The farm is awful. Has been for a while now, and the reasons for it being bad are readily evident to anyone who cares to do some research. Caul is championing the Sox turning the 8th overall pick of the 2008 draft into an all defense no offense 2B who might be non tendered in a few seasons. Morel has had one underwhelming season and is still largely an unknown. Flowers, Stewart, and DeAza have proven nothing yet. The only prospects I see that one should brag about is Sale and Sergio in relief roles, Humber (who many are still not sold on), and Viciedo. Large influx of talent my ass.

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