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QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 06:36 PM) That massive selloff occurred when they were 3.5 games behind at the end of July. If the Sox sell off when they're 8 or 9 games behind, the bitterness won't be there. Realistically, I think that this current squad has until the summer of 2018 to do something. Even if they don't sell off players at that point, the soon-to-be expiring contracts will force the rebuild. My biggest dislike for Lamont at that time is when they faced the Indians one of the starters was a call up from the farm. You put a minor league player is a decent chance to fail and not having your best chance at winning. It was Ruffcorn and he was valued by every organization and the guy never really made it.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 09:31 AM) 3 OD roster spots down, 22 to go, ha. In all honesty, I think silence is better than the public humiliation, but at this point, I'm down to try anything. When I thought JR had actually said that, my thinking was "Why not, it can't get any worse". Silence in this case is drop in attendance.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 09:09 AM) Ideally it makes the relationship between Chris Sale and the White Sox untenable and he demands a trade. You just hope they'd keep it under wraps for the benefit of all parties involved and deal him with little fanfare. That's how a fan thinks. It's really not like that with athletes.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 08:56 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-025146341.html Speaking of public humiliation....not a good look for White Sox fans (being called out for booing a pitcher in his very first performance for the team, although some of it must be related to the carryover of knowing what happened against the Mariners in his previous start), for Robin Ventura OR for Rick Hahn. National media starting to really turn on Robin. Probably not. They now acknowledge his existence.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 18, 2016 -> 10:12 PM) I wouldn't mind him stirring it up vs. KC if we get off to a bad start on Friday. If it's 4-0 Royals and that stiff, Gee, is mowing us down, I wouldn't mind Lawrie starting a fight or something. Anything but Royals sweeping us in the Cell. I never understood this fan concocted macho part of baseball. It would look really bad on the Sox part.

Too bad Adam Dunn isn't around to pitch.

Might as well get Manny Ramirez back too. Too bad Mantle and Ted Williams are dead.

Well it's probably better to get shelled with Scherzer on the mound instead of losing 1-0.

Maybe they should have kept Danks. Was he this bad?

He would fit in with the other mental midgets.

It's difficult to watch the Sox. Even on MLB I don't even watch the video feed. I think I may watch some more NL baseball. Who else do you watch for entertainment?

Something I noticed about the Royal the last few seasons is they have to lead the league in the most brawls.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 08:29 AM) They would've given Bruce up for nothing before the season. Now he's kind of resurrected his career.... Coming here is a good chance of killing it.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 10:58 PM) Better than 5th place! Don't worry they're working on that one. You may have to wait two weeks.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 02:14 AM) With this ownership, it's definitely not a team I can recommend to my friends to root for. haha Zero accountability, z e r o. Players like that too.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 08:46 PM) They should be getting their king's ransom for Sale, Eaton and Quintana. Let me know when this organization is good at scouting and development for that to be considered a reality. That would be the when JR dies or sells, and all head office removed plan for that to be a reality.

I'm becoming Latos intolerant.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:10 AM) As we enter another week of it's the players!/It's the manager! arguing, I keep flashing back to something on the 2005 World Series DVD. In the beginning, as they're setting up the whole 88 years "curse" thing, somebody (I can't remember who) said "There wasn't any curse, just a lot of bad baseball teams." I LOL'd at that for its truth. I think the reality here is that we've got the perfect storm: a lacking team AND a manager who's not up to it--even though everybody keeps arguing it's one or the other. And when you look at it that way, whose doing is that? Yup, KW (with the approval of JR). I've said it before, I'll say it again and I've been saying it for years: as long as KW is running this team, expect more losing seasons. Even getting rid of him isn't a guarantee if JR's simply going to hire another yes-man. But this problem starts at the top, people. I was shocked to look at our record against the central in just the Ventura era--not to put it on Ventura, but for senior management to not feel any sort of urgency, because if we can't even win the central, duh, we aren't going to the Series or anywhere else. Now for my total arm-chair conspiracy theory: I read something by chance about White Sox attendance that startled me. I could never figure out how JR could keep fielding losers when it kills attendance and... doesn't that mean less money for him? What this thing said, if I read it right, was that certain taxes kick in when the Sox hit a minimum attendance for the season. If they do NOT hit that minimum, there is no tax, and it's a substantial break. I'm sure somebody here can present this much better than me. So, in this scenario (if I'm correct), perhaps the reason JR's okay with the non-stop losing is that he has a financial incentive to not win--or not make a serious stab at it financially, instead coming up with these KW-engineered experiments that if they win, great--and if they fail, tax break! Again, I could have misread that but usually when somebody keeps doing something that makes no sense, it's because they're making money doing it that way. Even tossing that theory aside, though: this organization needs a Cubs/Hawks-like housecleaning. This season is going to be brutal. It already is. With no end in sight. Death has to take place for this to happen.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 10:03 AM) You forget that LaRussa managed the A's in the late '80s and early '90s. I did not. During that time there was rumblings of a manager that couldn't get it done in the post season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 8, 2016 -> 07:00 AM) Everyday I read when a player screws up, Robin is a bumbling fool...and all the rest. My question is, if the rosters were the same since he became the manager, how many more playoff appearances and in legitimate contention seasons would the White Sox have had if they hired someone else? I read constantly how short of talent this current team is, and they do seem on paper to have more talent than most of the others under his leadership. How many more wins and trophies does say Ricky Renteria running things translate into? I like Robin, but if there really was a compelling case other than total desperation which never works anyway to remove him , I would be all for it. It just seems some like to play both sides of the fence. The players suck, the front office and coaching staff are totally incompetent, yet, if you read gamethreads, this team should win at least 120 games if managed correctly. Wouldn't that make the talent gathering people outstanding? Robin is a fool if he uses Scott Carroll with a 5 run lead in the 8th, then he is a fool for using his closer with a 6 run lead in the 9th because now you should never use your closer in a non closing situation. Good thing the Sox never tried to hire Maddon. He uses Rondon is non save appearances quite often. There are so many things like this. This player should never bat second, a week later, why isn't he batting second? On and on and on. Renteria, Maddon, Gardenhire, Alomar, take your pick. How many more wins and playoff appearances does it translate into? Hindsight is a beautiful thing. When Tony LaRussa was fired, there weren't thousands of White Sox fans crying in their beer. In fact, most were probably toasting Hawk for doing it. Now Hawk is one of the biggest fools who ever lived, but LaRussa was fired in 1986, replaced by Fregosi who actually won a higher percentage of games that year. The total rebuild of 1987-1989 with really no chance to compete would have meant, had LaRussa stayed he would have had at least 4 years and 5 out of 6 after winning the division of horrible teams. Considering how people use Robin's W-L record against him, how would Tony have survived that? Obviously this has been an awful stretch of baseball. But they still are .500, maybe for a few more hours, maybe for the rest of the season. It will get better.They aren't as good as 23-10, they aren't as bad as 6-19. It was interesting they showed about 5 or 6 teams that went through a similar bad stretch during a season and still won a WS. I wouldn't predict that, but, if Hahn gets another bat, some of this will turn around. LaRussa was not the legend until he became part of the Cardinals organization. They seem to do something right most of the time.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) Little Nicky Delmonico to the rescue! Maybe if he hits and they win the team won't completely relocate! On a serious note, will they move the team elsewhere? God I hope not, then I'd have to be a Cubs fan. I never understood the foolish rule you had to be a fan of your local team.

Fire the whole stack and let Renteria pick his own guys. Coop can't be one of them.

QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) Is this real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide No escape from reality Open your eyes............

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) Buddy Bell was mentioning the Latin players who are signed after these showcases, and how they really don't play games. They just train to get signed. After they are signed, many don't know which base to throw or how to run the bases, situational hitting.. any of the nuances of the game most take for granted, because their actual game experience is so limited.. I'm not really surprised by that at all.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 12:44 PM) Maybe a lobotomy would help. I would have to be taken down to the ankles for that to work.