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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 11:10 AM) Jesse Crain signed a 3 year, $13 million deal. Andrew Miller might sign for 3x that amount and more than 2x the AAV. 3 for 30 last I read

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) [/b] That is kind of an oxymoron when you are talking about relief pitchers. Heck look at Miller. His FIP was double in 2013, what it was in 2014. His WHIP was .80 versus 1.37 in 2013. His 2013 walk rate was double his 2014 rate (5.0 vs 2.5). It goes on and on. That's definitely a valid point.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 11:04 AM) https://twitter.com/pgammo/status/534390714827018240 Russell Martin to Toronto. Sounds like an overpay. Extreme overpay

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 09:38 PM) Admittedly, Duke doesn't have a huge track record and I prefer Thatcher, but Duke has been solid out of the pen. The difference in contracts will be significant. The difference in contracts will be significant for a reason. You have to pay for consistent production.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 05:12 PM) They also don't need to pay a guy 8-10 million a year for 60 innings. Not that 60 innings are even guaranteed for Miller. He'll throw 60ish if he doesn't get hurt or his control doesn't regress to his career norms. Bullpens are far too spontaneous and random to put that much weight into what happened last year. In fact, Andrew Miller is a great example of exactly that. 2014 he walked 2.5/9 and in the 2013 he walked twice as many as 5.0/9. Obviously we need restructuring in the pen but that doesn't mean paying a ridiculous price for the best lefty in FA. I don't know what a "hefty sum" is for a reliever but if it's what Miller is going to get I'll take that bet. Give me one of Duke/Thather and one or two of Grilli/Hochevar/Chamberlain and I'll be happy. Your worried about Miller regressing but not Duke? Theres obviously going to be a price difference but it's not like Duke is going to be paid the league minimum. Duke back to his usual getting shelled self with Joba Chamberlain...your right back to square 1.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) They can also afford Max Scherezer, that doesn't make signing him financially prudent. Except they dont really need a Max Scherzer. They need relief pitching in the worst way and it seems they understand they have to put funds that way. How much do you want to bet that when they sign a relief pitcher it's going to be a hefty sum of money for over 2 years?

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 02:51 PM) You almost invariably overpay for the top guys in the reliever market, but there are always great values just after that first tier Sure and obviously getting more than one reliever is probably in the works. I think if they dont sign Miller it wont be for a lack of trying. I just dont think they'll try what they did last year again.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 02:16 PM) The Sox are not an organization that can afford to pay for Andrew Miller types. I trust Hahn to act accordingly. Except they can afford it

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) That is my question. Suppose the idea that we have 40 million is right. Suppose we offer $25 million to Moncada, and win. That gives us $50 million in payments and penalties. Are people OK with forgetting about the free agent market to spend that kind of money on Moncada? Remember he can 't sign a major league deal, so I don't believe you can spread that money out like a normal dea. See that's a really good question and the answer for me is no

I'll take Andrew Miller thank you very much

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 15, 2014 -> 11:37 PM) He could decide to sign with the Cubs and sign after next year's signing period starts. I think the chance of that happening is near zero

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 15, 2014 -> 07:50 PM) Speculation is he's down to the $3-5 million range plus incentives. I'd prefer to give that deal to Brett Anderson over Johnson and Floyd. Or Zito, haha. Hah I saw the Zito news the other day. Signing Brett Anderson would be nice but it wouldnt surprise me if Josh Johnson was one of the guys we were talking to. Would have been better if he wasnt coming off major surgery though.

Heard Josh Johnson is talking to 5-6 teams. Nothing imminent, but the Padres remain his first choice. https://twitter.com/dennistlin/status/533762664841744384 Pretty obvious why the Padres would be his first choice. But he might be a nice buy low guy for us.

Yeah it seems like finding a started is definitely on their list of things to do. I doubt they have Noesi pegged as the #3. Getting what we got from him this past season was reward enough. Let's not push it.

Cubs and the Rangers are out for sure.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 15, 2014 -> 01:40 PM) What's OFAC and how long does clearance usually take? Office of Foreign Assets Control It'll probably take 60-90 days

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 15, 2014 -> 01:01 PM) I'm not saying he wouldn't be more valuable than Flowers, just that it's not worth trading anything particularly useful for that upgrade since it wouldn't be very big. Who were you thinking about? More than likely they'll want some of our infield prospects

It's probably going to take a while before he gets cleared

I want to know what high means as far as players wanted.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:16 PM) Doesn't necessarily mean he would want to play for a losing team and in that ballpark.. You would think after seeing the success of Abreu he would want to come here or a hitter's friendly park.. But it is probably all about the money with him and his agent Dont get me wrong I agree with all of that...but the show some pretty serious interest..who knows how much they offered.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 13, 2014 -> 03:12 PM) Why would any hitter go to the Padres? If they do get him they must have offered him a lot more money and a starting position They met him with him I think 3 times. They seem pretty interested

I'll guess the Padres. But let us not forget...we didnt hear anything about Jose Abreu until he was close to signing. There was some speculation at first that we would be involved but nothing concrete. I dont think it will be us but it wouldnt be that surprising.

Pretty sure the answer is yes to both

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 05:53 PM) Rather sign three LHRP's for that money and see what you can get to stick. You seriously want to try that again?

You know I would be pissed as a Tigers fan looking at that. Cool win now...but good lord the next 5-10 years are going to absolutely suck