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QUOTE(Kristy @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 12:41 AM) Good!!!!! He's a waste of space. Welcome aboard to Soxtalk. Let's just hope this doesn't affect Marte's trade value significantly. He could be a good pawn to use in a Rowand + Marte for Juan Pierre, or Marte + El Duque + prospect for Chad Tracy. And in the off-season, expect the Sox to go after another lefty for the pen. Candidates include Scott Eyre, Scott Sauerbeck, Ricardo Rincon, Chris Hammond and Valerio De Los Santos.

Perfect couple aren't they. Congrats to both of you of reaching the 10,000 milestone. Oh and here's my thing; Hey "Mr. Prime Minister!!!" Andy;

And I thought the pick of Jacob Rogers was bad enough. Just tightens the noose around Angelo's neck quite frankly.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 03:04 PM) I say deal him, Marte for Chad Tracy (and try to get something else from Arizona). If they want Fields too, fine by me. I really like Chad Tracy and think he'd be a tremendous fit in this offense. Could DH most of the time, ocassionally spelling Konerko at 1st and whoever is playing 3rd. I should add, it is a must to sign Konerko. There is no option of not resigning him. It will be way too difficult to lose Konerko and bring in 3 new bats, considering the ineptness of this years FA crop. I'd take that deal in second. Don't think Arizona would though.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Yankees always want him. Weren't there rumors they were looking to trade for him around the dead line? Depends if they sign Burnett if the off-season and what happens with RJ, Pavano, Wright etc.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) El Duque will not be a member of the White Sox by spring training next year. You can take that to the bank. Possible teams he can shipped out to are........

Juan was trying to send the ball my way on that pitch.

So that worked well.

Politte needs to buckle down here. Has given up a few big hits since the ASB.

Ozzie's got me baffled with that one.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 01:28 AM) Everett will be making 7M in 2006. That is incorrect.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 01:21 AM) Can't Vazquez request a trade? The other position I was thinking that they could use help is in the outfield. I know some Sox fans on here might not like to hear it, but someone like Chris Young could be a very valuable trade chip. Question: would you rather trade Rowand or Chris Young, with the thought that Brian Anderson could play CF for the next few seasons? I'd rather trade Rowand. Vazquez can demand a trade, but I don't think he will, he's pretty happy in Arizona, but you never know. And yes I would trade Rowand before Young, although I know that's probably not going to be popular. Young's got the chance to be something special, while Aaron has to show last year wasn't a flash in the pan, and he can post a .850+ OPS and I don't know if he can.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 12:17 AM) Arizona will want some starting pitching for Tracy. I can definitely picture trading Contreras and Marte for someone like Overbay or Tracy. Right now they've got Vazquez, Webb, Vargas, Ortiz and Halsey in the rotation. They're stuck with Ortiz (worst contract in the off-season), Webb and Halsey are still young and good, Vargas has come on very strong since he was acquired and will get a chance to start next year, while Vazquez is going nowhere unless he demands a trade. So they may have to trade someone from there first, if they are going to fit in a Contreras. So it comes down to the bullpen. Jeff Bajenaru and Damaso Marte, would be 2 good chips to use, chuck in say a good pitching prospect like Sean Tracey, Arizona may have some interest there.

QUOTE(Brian @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 12:29 AM) Mariotti is right, if the Bears stink it up this season, Angelo should be gone. His late round picks have been good but he has screwed up in the 1st round. As of now, Haynes/Grossman have been flops when we could of had Terrell Suggs. The jury is out on Benson but I would of loved to of had Mike Williams across from Muhsin or Cadillac WIlliams before Benson. I still think Benson was the right choice, Thomas Jones showed he isn't the answer, and the Bears need a power runner, Williams is probably more of a slasher which appealed to Jon Gruden a lot. But yes, the trade down from #4 really was a stupid decision. They could of had Dewayne Rebertson (can you imagine him inside with Harris), Suggs, Newman or Byron Leftwich. Really can't see the justfication in the Bears keeping him around if they don't go higher than .500, with the schedule they have.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 12:39 AM) And Kyle Orton was every bit as good statistically as Grossman was, since he played a shorter time though Orton comes up short in every category. He even played for a school that did not have the talent available to them like FLA. Not only that, but Orton was the Heisman favorite until he got hurt and limped through the second half of the season. Since you guys are hung up on having a first round QB, and since Rex was drafted in the first round we owe him something. Orton deserved to be drafted sooner than he did, and his injury cost him that money, and that spot. It is PROVEN that more late round QB's have won titles than first round picks, and I feel damn comfortable with Orton as our hope in that category. Paper Grossman wont see the field ever again for the bears, unless Orton gets hurt. But how many teams today that are successful hav 1st round QB's, let's have a look at them; Atlanta - Michael Vick Philly - Donovan McNabb Indy - Peyton Manning Pitts - Ben Roesthlisberger Jacksonville - Byron Leftwich I know all Bears fans think Orton was a steal, and someday he may prove that. But right now, he's a rookie (and hardly any rookie QB's who have started from day one have had success in year 1), and he was passed on by almost more than 100 teams in the draft. Over the past 5 years, the Patriots have won the majority of the Super Bowls win Tom Brady, a siutation that they pretty much lucked into. But almost every other team that has challenged them has had a 1st round QB. And I do think Grossman will see the field again this year if he's healthy. Like I said before, Orton's not going to do anything special, not with only 1 good receiver, and an O-Line that is having trouble with run blocking, which will allow opposing defences to blitz all day long. Maybe Grossman was in a better system at Florida, and he had more weapons, but he produced, the coaching staff like him, and he deserves a chance to show what he can do in Ron Turner's system. You'd hate to see him go to another team and flourish, because it could very well happen if they're not careful in handling the situation.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 12:01 AM) IF the Sox make the playoffs, and IF the Sox have a home game in the first game, Garcia shouldn't be starting. He's obviously been better on the road this season. And as for his playoff experience, I don't remember him having too much success. The problem is, the only 2 starters that are better at the Cell than away IIRC are Buerhle and Garland, and they are struggling to capture their early season form. Contreras, Garcia, B-Mac and El Duque all pitch better away from the Cell, which is going to cause some problems if we make the playoffs and we have home field advantage.

Here we go;

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 10:38 PM) I wasn't going for signing Mueller as a key piece...I'm for getting Overbay if they won't sign Paul. And Mueller would be a great addition. Right now if the D-Backs and Brewers asking price was exactly the same for Chad Tracy and Lyle Overbay, I would have to go with trading for Tracy. And with the D-Backs having Clark, Gonzalez, Green, Quentin, Jackson, Glaus and Tracy for what 5 spots in 2006, they're going to have to trade one of those, so they can upgrade their pitching as well. A Damaso Marte for instance would be a good bargaining chip to use.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 11:51 PM) I Sense a TROLL on this board. Aren't trolls banned when they contributed nothing but venom to the boards in their first 15 posts? The situation has been taken care of.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 11:34 PM) Ooh, he throws a wrench in there...I still think Overbay is a possibility...if only Konerko played third! Pods, Mueller, Tads doesn't sound bad at all. No it doesn't. All 3 will hit around the .280 mark or higher (although Mueller could be a little lower, depending on how he would handle hitting at the Cell), while Tad moving down a spot allows him to concentrate more on power, and probably see some better pitches, so he'd hit around 20-25 HR's a season. Then of course you've got Konerko at #4 assuming he stick around, then it gets interesting at 5. Carl Everett (who hits a lot better lower than #3), or if he's not coming back Jermaine Dye or a guy like Erubiel Durazo. Either way I'd like Dye at #6, Pierzynski at #7, and Rowand or Uribe at #8. Rowand wouldn't be a bad guy to have hitting at 9, if his power ain't going to come back, otherwise he gets moved back up the order.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 12:52 PM) Hopefully the whitesox will realize that this is the Omaha Royals the worst pitching staff in the majors. Lets knock this minor league team around like we should. We should be kicking ass and taking names in this series. Lets get that division clinched already, they are giving me a f***ing ulcer. f***ING MAKE THEM EAT BIG TIME s***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE PRE-ALLSTAR BREAK WAY Too bad we get to face Mike Wood tomorrow who's actually been pretty good lately, but long - term he projects to be nothing more than a 4th starter.

Here we go;

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 04:59 PM) You have no reason to believe everett will not be back. He will still be able to fill our dh spot considering there is no one worthy to sign outside of maybe durazo ( who is a bonafide dh) He seems to be a favorite of ozzie's even though his performance has been lackluster for the most part. I am not sure what kind of deal durazo will be getting considering he has only played in about 40 games this year. Since he is out with tommy john surgery he might be looking for a garciaparra type deal to get his value back up. He would be my ideal stop gate for the following season. Nick johnson= drools. Yep with Dan Johnson's emergence, and one of Durazo or Hatteberg only likely to be back, there's a good chance Durazo will be available, even though he's a Billy Beane favorite. But yes, I'd definitely be on board going after him for a 1 or 2 year deal. He had a .919 OPS in Oakland last season (Paul Konerko has a .913 OPS this season), and he had a 104/100 K/BB ratio in 2003, plus he's a lefty hitter. Seems like a good DH option for me.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 05:41 PM) Well, as far as the 2000 Yankees go, they had won 3 of the previous 4 World Series going into 2000. So they had the experience and know how that this Sox team clearly doesn't. I agree that once you get there, anything can happen. I still think it would be important for a non-experienced team such as the Sox to be playing well going in the playoffs. It's important but it's not the end all to be all. I'd rather struggle in September and end up making the playoffs then the come out all guns blazing in September and still miss it. Anything can happen once you are there.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) Im not saying playoffs. Im just saying for the rest of the regular season. In the playoffs he can back. So you throw him out there without him pitching for almost a month, in a crucial situation, and he blows it. I wonder what the Sox fans will be thinking of that decision then.........