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QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 07:31 AM) Sounds positive to me. If you watched him pitch last night, you wouldn't have thought that was the case. Like I said before, control was off, velocity still not back.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 07:26 AM) In his last three starts, all wins, Schmidt has a 1.23 ERA to go along with a 1.23 WHIP and 21 Ks over 22 innings. Last 3 starts were at Detroit, at home against AZ, and at AZ. Not exactly awful hitting teams. Detroit is 13th in team batting average, while Arizona is 15th.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 07:22 AM) AJ Burnett would be great. You cant argue with 100mph from a starter. Schmidt would be good as a plan B. Lilly should be a plan NO. Don't trade for Burnett UNLESS you can work out a long - term deal with him. Jason Schmidt will struggle at the Cell, and is not worth giving up someone like Brian Anderson or Brandon McCarthy. Once again, I throw forward this name, as a starter / closer. Miguel Batista. 4-0, 2.29 ERA.

Sucks to be Mike Spidale especially after the season he had in B-Ham last year.

QUOTE(YahtzeeSox @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 07:11 AM) How about a Table of Contents on the first page of the thread? Page1-2: Burnett Discussion Page 3: Oliver Perez Page 4: whatever you know. There's lots of diff scenarios and rumors going on in each page, so that would be pretty hard. Plus only if you read the last couple of pages, you get the general gist of what everyone is discussing etc.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:51 AM) The reason Contreras has to go is because he's signed for $8 million next year. Schmidt's option is for $10 million. Either we exercise it or sign him longer term. In any event, you have to subtract Contreras's $8 million to make it work on a zero-sum club like the Sox. We aren't Boston or the Yankees. Same thing applies for Uribe, who is signed for the same period as Vizquel. The thing is on Vizquel, he will retire in a couple of years. Who's going to replace him? We don't have anyone in our minor league system who has starter like potential. Juan Uribe is still quite young, an excellent fielder, and could still be a Miggy Tejada like hitter.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:49 AM) His merit will be tested when he faces a good hitting team. So far he has 15 starts. He has faced only two good hitting teams DET and Arizona. Colorado in Colorado? The Baltimore Orioles aren't a good hitting team? The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? The Cubs have hit pretty good lately too.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:47 AM) Do we need them to be ready next year? Or even the year after that? No, we don't. By trading away McCarthy, Sweeney, or Anderson, we're not mortgaging the future. There are viable options behind them, just not ready soon. But, we don't need them soon. We have our outfield locked up at least through next year, and I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find a stop-gap OFer to take over one of the spots for a year. Our starters are locked up even longer, and I'm sure we could find a cheap stop-gap for one of those guys for a year. Sweeney and Anderson are hands down better than any OF prospects that we have. Jerry Owens could be nothing more than a 4th outfielder, Chris Young too. After next season, Contreras and Hernandez will both be FA's. Jon Garland will need to be re-signed to a long - term deal after the season. Tracey could be ready by then, but I see him pitching out of the pen long term, like Neal Cotts. Liotta and Gonzalez will both be extremely young still, and it'll be like the same problem people are saying we are having now with B-Mac.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:41 AM) But the Tigers had the luxury of sucking ass when Bonderman was getting started. McCarthy can't help us this year, and probably not next year either. I'll stick to my opinion that Schmidt is 10x better than McCarthy, but that's just for right now. In a few years, of course McCarthy will most likely be better, but this isn't a few years from now. FWIW on Schmidt, he was still struggling last night against the D-Backs, and was very lucky he didn't give up more runs. He's usually has pin - point like control, threw something like 7 or 8 balls in a row, a couple in the dirt as well. At his best, yes he's one of the top 5 starters in the league. But his velocity is down, he could have arm problems and look at these splits; .BAA - .271 AWAY - .308/.390/.444 That tells me, at the Cell, if he pitched the way he has this season so far, he would get killed at the Cell. Not a great big difference from McCarthy.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:40 AM) A 19 game loser two years ago I believe?? One thing I will say is Bonderman's stuff is definitely much better then Brandon's, however Bmac has much better control and a better mentality then Bonoderman, he just has to harnass his nerves and throw strikes like we all know he can do. I'm just hoping B-Mac throws a real good game today, which I think he'll do, to quiet down those who want him traded. Perfect situation for him to succeed today in a big pitchers park.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:29 AM) Dbaho showing his maturity. :rolly I'm too "cool" for green like you remember.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:36 AM) I don't think wanting to trade McCarthy for a pitcher that is 10x better than him = giving up on him. 10x times better than him is overstating things to say the least. Just remember about payroll flexibility and the advantages of having a good, young cheap starter in our control for a long, long time. Look at Jeremy Bonderman. He was terrible early for the Tiggies, and look how good he's become in 2 to 3 years from that.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:33 AM) That Young kid is behind Anderson and Sweeney, right? And Liotta, Gonzalez, and even Tracey behind B-Mac. Young = High Risk prospect. He could be a Mike Cameron at the major league level, or he'll never hit well enough to be more than a 4th outfielder. I'd trade Sean Tracey before I would trade Brandon McCarthy. Gonzalez will end up being our best pitcher coming through the minors for a long time if he can stay healthy though in my mind.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:31 AM) I don't want Contreras going anywhere, he's been great all year he's run into a little rough patch his past 2 of 3 starts but like you said that shouldnt' take away from what he's done all season. Let's remember this with his bad starts this month. 1st one - Chris Widger was catching him. Big NO-NO. 2nd one - Gave up a grand slam which really hurt against the Flubs. Other than that, he's given up 2 ER, 1 ER, and 3 ER in his other outings so far this month.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 06:27 AM) I heard this same banter last year. Oh no we cant trade our future away. We will be trading a future phenom catcher and the best prospect in the majors, Reed. Prospects are Prospects. Until they perform at the major league level they are nothing but fodder. Felix Diaz lit up the minors last year with his pitching. He got up here and wet the bed. Arnie Munoz, Danny Wright, Lorenzo Barcelo, Rauch, etc, etc. We have sat here for years watching highly touted prospect after another wet the bed when they come up. Some of them never to be heard from again. If you are so worried about next year and beyond. Do you really thing we are going to resign the Count for his current salary if he sits status quo? Do you think we are going to pick up the 10 million dollar option for Thomas next year? The money will be there. I would rather have a few years of being average, than to sit on our laurels and not make a trade because A.) We have the best record in baseball and dont need to(See the 116 Win Seattle Mariners) or B.) We will mess up our long line of divisional championships. The timing of having the Yanks on a down year, and the other teams are beatable only comes once in a while. The possibility of winning it this year is a very good possibility. I say go for it all this year. We havent been to a WS since 1959( I wasnt alive for that one) and we havent won it since 1917(see 1959). Diaz wasn't a highly rated prospect. Neither were Munoz or Barcelo. Wright had arm problems. Brandon McCarthy IS a highly rated prospect. Just because B-Mac has pitched at a higher than AA for less than a season now, (he had a good start at Wrigley BTW), and because he hasn't automatically come in and put up uber like stats, people are already waiting to give up on him.

Gotta remember some positives with the Count though like these; AWAY - .194/.289/.339 .BAA - .225 One bad month, shouldn't take away the 2 great months he had to start the season. If we need a SP in a playoff series away from the Cell, he'd be ideal if Buerhle, Garland or Garcia couldn't take the hill.

"Red Sox Suck". There you go I've said it, expect my comments to be put on Red Sox message boards all over the internet, and for Peter Gammons to bring it up on Baseball Tonight.

Celts got Green. Lucky Bastards.

Funny how Jerry West could end up with a future NBA superstar. Figures.

QUOTE(Spiff @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 11:13 AM) Alright, since Indiana wasn't up for pissing me off, Ainge will take care of it with a foreign point guard. Roko Ukic is your man.

Danny Ainge would be s***ting himself.

Could Boston pick Green and trade Pierce?

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 11:05 AM) Wright-2 Jeff-3 Vince Carter.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 11:04 AM) Raps=Nets? Well ummmmm they both hav 4 letters, and I was predicting the Raps pick.

Raps got a pretty good pick right there. Wright could have almost gone at #7.