Bananarchy

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:31 AM) What Jose Abreu said. (the poster, at least. I'm not sure if Jose Abreu the player has any opinions on White Sox player development) I always assumed Jose Abreu the user was Jose Abreu the player. But yeah, let's not mess up another prospect by bringing them up too early. I totally sympathize, though. Spring training is so exciting.

No thanks.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:01 AM) Bryant is putting up a 5+ WAR season in his rookie year. What are you talking about? People look at his batting average, but fail to recognize he's a plus fielder, baserunner, and hitter. I'm pretty sure he has completely lived up to the hype.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 05:19 PM) In a ballpark that's generally considered a hitters ballpark and in the AL where you don't have to face the pitcher, you can be one of the best pitching staffs in baseball and still meet that standard. While there are some issues with using it on its own, fWAR is a good double check to see if that fits. Here's where our staff has ranked in that stat in all of MLB over the past 7 seasons: 2015: 5th 2014: 23rd 2013: 16th 2012: 12th 2011: 2nd 2010: 1st 2009: 4th Thanks for keeping us honest. I should have checked my math. 2012-2014 were certainly not good, but you can't complain with the rest.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) I can only imagine the criticism a hitting coach for the Sox would get if they acquired a player in his free agent year (during his prime years) and had him completely flop like Samardzija has. On that note, can we rehire and then fire Greg Walker?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 04:28 PM) He shouldn't. He also shouldn't get a pass on producing only one staff in the top 1/2 of MLB in ERA in 7 seasons. He also shouldn't get a pass on his handling of the bullpen, and his status as Robin's mentor/shadow-manager, and Williams' mole. Wow. I didn't know any of those pitching numbers. That's tough, especially for a team that has only had any success drafting pitchers.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) I wish the BIG would stop bending over for the SEC. Every time they play an early-season "neutral field" game it's in an SEC state. Grow a pair and make them play a game at Lucas Oil or Ford Field. It's brilliant for the B1G to play in SEC states. Any victory against said teams is essentially a recruiting advantage. The B1G wants its teams in the spotlight.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 24, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) Not to be sexist but the majority of the injured people making news are women. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm I would argue this is coincidental. The nets will go up, but like hockey, I doubt anyone will care.

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) i wonder if i can add ozzie's kids this this post. "Most hated mouthpiece of an active manager"

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Of course, you can complain all you want. But, soon people will start to ignore your posts and you'll be talking to yourself. I know the season sucks and the people in charge have issues, but "venting" constantly does nothing but alienate you with other posters. I respect the rights of any user on this board to ignore whomever they choose. QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) You shouldnt think that you are being unique in your "honesty" like you are the only one that is willing to be honest about a bad team that they are a fan of. There are plenty of posters here that are "honest" in their assessments. And there is a difference to being honest and just trying to get a rise out of someone in each thread you post in. Knowing that you arent going to change a thing I would be willing to bet you will eventually get into trouble with the mod/admins here because anytime you step over the line there will be posters lined up to report you and no one willing to defend you. Its just a message board...but whatever, just being brutally honest. As far as I can tell, I have yet to break any forum rules. I have been treated with nothing but respect from the Admins, Mods, and members of this board.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) If you don't want to complain, stop watching. Problem solved. No one is forcing you to keep watching something you think is extremely tough to swallow, with everything always being wrong. QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) I can't roll my eyes hard enough at that argument. No one is forcing you to follow a team that evidently disgusts you either, yet here you are. Nobody is forcing me to read your comments, but I'm not gonna put you on ignore because you, like anyone else here, might say something that interests me and that I find worth reading. A few pages ago somebody posted this regarding the Sale-in-the-NL debate: "see that's the thing it's not just the DH factor. yes, that's part of it but as a league the NL has FAR worse hitters (and pitchers) than the AL." That was the full text of the post, right there. You jumped in with: "Yeah and we are still horses***" What purpose does that serve? That's just pollution. It's whining for the sake of whining and while I'm not forced to read it, maybe it's bad enough that it just exists. I won't be changing a thing. I'm brutally honest about the state of the White Sox.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) That doesn't address what somebody might get out of constantly complaining, which is equally agonizing for everybody to read. No one is forcing you to read my comments. I'm positive where positivity is warranted, however this season has been extremely tough to swallow with the FO and coaching staff messing up every step.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 10:55 AM) That's not how free agency works. The market decides how many years you sign a player to, not what a team wants. Agreed. Assuming that the Sox wanted him for four years implies no compromises are made between players and teams.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) So you are admitting all your posts complaining endlessly about the talent level are just BS. The Sox apparently have plenty of talent to win, it is Robin Ventura holding them back. Who said that? The White Sox have neither the talent nor the managerial prowess to win.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) If you need experience coaching major league baseball to manage, how do you know all that Robin Ventura does wrong. Do you have that experience? It is funny how many people with no experience seem to think this experience is the most critical piece, yet with their zero experience, seem to be able to tell you all that a manager does wrong. It's unbelievable people are defending Robin when his performance is so far below deserving to be fired.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) Unless it's a nice return no thanks. I'm sure the White Sox would probably ask for too much, which is fine. I would rather they keep him than give him away.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:56 AM) Better option than Avi? Maybe, but a team is going to have a very hard time winning with a .650 OPS corner OF, regardless of how good he is at defense and baserunning. Despite my growing reputation as a whiner (somewhat deservedly, I admit), I honestly feel like I don't want to give up on him just yet.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 08:54 AM) QFT. What does somebody get out of constantly complaining? It's agonizing to have to settle for mediocrity.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) Adam Dunn The problem with a guy like Dunn or Linebrink was they were genuinely good people. Belle was a jerk. He was the one of the few post strike players who still acted like the fans were garbage.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 11:12 PM) Which is why they keep sticking to drafting pitchers. I heard the same segment that you did on the radio. Positional prospects are the currency of the modern MLB. Even more so than pitchers.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 11:09 PM) We're hopeless, but it's not nearly as bad. Whenever you have a pitcher of Sale's calibur leading Rodon and Quintana it's not terrible. However, where it's similar is we're both hopelessly behind several divisional opponents who are in a MUCH better position to compete. My question is, how do we compete with Kansas City and Detroit come 2016 and beyond? When that question is answered, we'll be no better than those clubs dealing with their divisional leaders. First, you lose Kenny Williams. Second, you figure out how to go back and move Shark. Third, you play out the rest of the season and then try to move Sale for top position prospects. Do the same with Abreu, because Hahn has the uncanny ability to make team friendly contract. You take or leave Alexei. Play through one or two thin seasons to gain draft picks. That's how you do it. The problem is our scouting can't draft positional talent.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 11:05 PM) Not even close. Those teams could only dream of having Rodon. Those teams are also in stacked divisions going forward. Go take another look at the White Sox position players draft under Williams by career WAR. It's not a performance close to that of a winner. Bad doesn't begin to describe our scouting.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 10:58 PM) "Smart money" Hahaha One team is setting up for winning long term. The other is trying to overpay gimmick free agent signing to win it once. I'd feel more comfortable with a competent coach and a real GM making signings.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 10:56 PM) But you didn't answer the question It is a silly question. The Cardinals don't have to watch their 2006 World Series DVD. They just win it all again. That is the goal.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 10:54 PM) God it must have been terrible being a Cubs fan in that timeframe, huh? Sox won the World Series, Cubs couldn't win a playoff series, had to have a priest bless a dugout, blowing money on Soriano, Zambrano going nuts, being incredibly awful for years, White Sox winning that stupid Crosstown Cup. Smart money says they are about to be repaid for that. Their whole organization is stacked.